Ranger REG
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Just curious, is there a way to infect Kazaa?Iron_Chef said:
Disappointed in 3.5 books
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Iron_Chef
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Belphanior said:
So they can see the lies of man and the other races for what they are; so the orcs will not be cheated again from their rightful place in this world!
Example:
"If you let us go, oh mighty Grishnak, we will come back with many precious items to give you."
"Me Grishnak no impress by word of puny human. You lie! Me let human go, you human come back with pointy metal aim at Grishnak's heart! Grishnak say, word create lie, no trust word. Puny human die!"
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Darrin Drader
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I don't mean to belittle anyone's right to gripe here, but what it interesting to me about this post is that is is lambasting 3.5 for making too few changes, all the while most people are criticizing the existence of 3.5 because of the perception that it will make all their other D20 products obsolete.
So Iron Chefs disappointment should satisfy those who were worried about obsolescence of their other material.
Frankly, I think it does what it set out to do. It answers a lot of frequently asked questions that arise during the course of gameplay and it solves some of the more serious power balance issues. Its more like trading in your sedan for the deluxe model rather than trading it in for a SUV.
New art? I don't care one way or another. I think that when 2nd edition went from the original books to the expanded page count but otherwise exactly the same content with different art, the new art ended up being a gigantic step backwards. But then again I didn't buy the "new" books until my old ones had worn out. I still miss those Easley covers.
So Iron Chefs disappointment should satisfy those who were worried about obsolescence of their other material.
Frankly, I think it does what it set out to do. It answers a lot of frequently asked questions that arise during the course of gameplay and it solves some of the more serious power balance issues. Its more like trading in your sedan for the deluxe model rather than trading it in for a SUV.
New art? I don't care one way or another. I think that when 2nd edition went from the original books to the expanded page count but otherwise exactly the same content with different art, the new art ended up being a gigantic step backwards. But then again I didn't buy the "new" books until my old ones had worn out. I still miss those Easley covers.
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Ranger REG
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Actually, I was referring to embedding a virus within a PDF document. Then post infected document to lure others to take it, like say a scan of 3.5e D&D.Iron_Chef said:
DWARF
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I'm not getting the books, at least for a long while, the SRD will be fine to start, and I'll need the rules information in text format online so I can cut/paste for house rules.
The problem I have with 3.5 is that I don't WANT 3.5. I wanted either 3.1, I reprinting of the books with full errata and a few, I repeat, FEW changes to smoothe things out. Adding clunky weapon sizes, drastically reducing buff spell durations or adding Forgotten Realms specific Prestige Classes are not my idea of smoothing things out.
My feeling is that IF they were thinking of going this far with changes, why not go all the way, spend a couple more years and take us all the way to 4.0? Because at this point I see 3.5 having the same fate as the 2.5 Players Option books; cannibalized for some house rules, but never used as the writers apparently meant them to be.
The problem I have with 3.5 is that I don't WANT 3.5. I wanted either 3.1, I reprinting of the books with full errata and a few, I repeat, FEW changes to smoothe things out. Adding clunky weapon sizes, drastically reducing buff spell durations or adding Forgotten Realms specific Prestige Classes are not my idea of smoothing things out.
My feeling is that IF they were thinking of going this far with changes, why not go all the way, spend a couple more years and take us all the way to 4.0? Because at this point I see 3.5 having the same fate as the 2.5 Players Option books; cannibalized for some house rules, but never used as the writers apparently meant them to be.
Darrin Drader
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Iron_Chef said:
Unless you're talking about the options books, there were no changes in the "2.5" core books. It was all the same stuff as 2nd edition in bigger type with new covers and interior art. As I stated before, I really didn't like the new art either. The options books were a good update to the system though.
Oh, and by the way, this is my 900th post. Time to go to bed now.
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I'm A Banana
Potassium-Rich
Actually, Iron Chef, even though I disagree with a lot of your specific criticisms, I agree with the general sentiment, and I think some other players might, as well...
Basically, in giving is 3.5, they made a lot of changes they should've made, a wad of changes they didn't need to make, and left out a load of changes that they really should've made.
This 3.5 seems more like 'WotC's House Rules' then anything that's a universal improvement. But then, that's what they said it was from the beginning, and it ended up being more revised then they thought it would be.
Basically, in giving is 3.5, they made a lot of changes they should've made, a wad of changes they didn't need to make, and left out a load of changes that they really should've made.
This 3.5 seems more like 'WotC's House Rules' then anything that's a universal improvement. But then, that's what they said it was from the beginning, and it ended up being more revised then they thought it would be.
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