Disappointing Trends in Movies

Hijinks said:
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I think that men are just more visual creatures than women, and so men like to see ladies' naked bodies, but they don't want to have to work out themselves so women can admire theirs :P That's the way it USED to be anyway, but there's been a shift so that men are required to be buff. I don't mind looking at hot male bodies, but to me the looks of the actors come after the plot, storyline, and effects of the film. <snip>

Excellent point, Hijinks.
Personally, I don't want to see any of the guys running around shirtless or otherwise unclothed (well, as a general rule, anyway - I have to confess I thought a shirtless Hugh Jackman in Van Helsing was pretty hot ;) ). I don't really think all those rippling abs and bulging pecs are that attractive. I find bodybuilders kind of repulsive - and just look what happens when they get older! Anybody seen that pic of the Governator in a Speedo? Bleah!

I'm with Lord Pendragon, really - on the whole I'd rather not see anybody wriggling around between the sheets, regardless of gender or physical "hotness". Let me use my imagination.
:)
 

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sniffles said:
I find bodybuilders kind of repulsive - and just look what happens when they get older! Anybody seen that pic of the Governator in a Speedo? Bleah!

I find the "competition bodybuilders" to be repulsive. They look like some sort of mutant offspring of humanity, especially with all the buldging veins.

While I am reluctant to do so, to be fair to Schwarzenegger, from what I understand that picture was taken after he had his heart attack/heart surgery and before he had started to "buff up".
 

Sex doesn't bother me. If I can watch Robert de Niro (at 50) making love to Uma Thurman (at 23), and find it not repulsive but indeed touching and believable - it's not exactly true love at work, you know - I can't honestly be bothered by any kind of age gap, or by two guys, or by two unattractive people.

(Frankly, half of the sex scenes put into Hollywood films involve people I find very unattractive anyway.)

Anyway.

I hate dubbing. There's never an excuse for it. If you don't like subtitles, you don't get to see the movie in the language you don't understand, period. It utterly destroys the original performance and the film as a whole in a way that no letters on the screen ever could.

Yes, all of Germany, I'm looking at you. Follow Finland's example. (Though it is extremely hilarious when the guy that always does Brad Pitt is replaced by the guy that always does Tom Cruise for one movie, or whatever.)

I avoid wise-beyond-their-years kids and ditzy-women-held-up-as-admirable and all of that by not going to see bad films which make a virtue of sentiment.
 

Hijinks said:
The only actor that I can think of to headline a recent movie that hasn't been in any movies showing off his body, is Ewan McGregor, although I'm sure there are others. And I like Ewan just fine (you rakishly grinning Scot, you!)
Clearly you've missed some of Ewan's earlier movies.
But then again, they might actually scare you... unless you think bigger is better ;)
 

Predictablity in films & TV is my pet peve.

What I hate is sitting down in a movie and seeing in the first five minutes where the plot is headed. "Those two die, she lives, and he will save her for the happy ever after."

Even worse is when the villian is a mysterey and I spot him in the first five seconds, then the end jumps up with a "bump, bump, bum!" and reveals who the mystery villian is that I could have told you about in the first seconds.

About the camera jerking- I think that is as you say to make the viewer feel they are in the scene. What it says to me is- "the people in the fight could not get the fight down so we had to jerk the camera about so that no one would notice how badly they are actually fighting."
 

mhacdebhandia said:
(Frankly, half of the sex scenes put into Hollywood films involve people I find very unattractive anyway.)
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A couple months ago, I was watching this horror movie I borrowed from the library, and sort of boom, all of a sudden, there was this sex scene involving Donald Sutherland (and the leading lady). Quite frankly, I really didn't need to see Donald Sutherland naked.



As it's an old movie, it's not really a trend, but it was disturbing.

Other than that, really good movie, though http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069995/
 

Joshua Dyal said:
And yet...

the filming technique used to create those scenes is usually...get this...a real stuntman outrunning a real explosion.

So for everyone who claims it's "impossible" and "unrealistic"...

Please be quiet now.
I do not believe it for a moment. One of the basic tenets of stuntwork is that the stuntman should survive the performance of the stunt unharmed. I really think it would tend to result in rather too many cases of burned stuntpersons, or at least be UNNECESSARILY dangerous enough that if it were the case no insurance company would touch such a production. Check me if I'm wrong but unless a stunt calls for a character to actually BE on fire the scene is going to be filmed in such a way as to keep fire and people quite safely far from each other. This would be EASILY accomplished with simple camera work adjusting the depth of field (though these days even simple explosions can have additional fire elements composited or animated into the scene).

Hey, if I'm wrong on this so be it - I'm not a stuntman, or movie pyrotechnician - but you'd have to prove to me that it's a common practice and method.

Now they might TIME the detonations, but they don't "outrun" the effects. Even careful timing occasionally goes horribly wrong and the physics of an explosion are simply such that human beings cannot outrun a gasoline fireball.
 

mhacdebhandia said:
I hate dubbing. There's never an excuse for it. If you don't like subtitles, you don't get to see the movie in the language you don't understand, period. It utterly destroys the original performance and the film as a whole in a way that no letters on the screen ever could.

I fail to see how dubbed dialogue destroys the performance anymore than listening to a language you don't understand and having to read a translation at the bottom of the screen.

Sorry, I just get annoyed by people who act like watching foreign language films in subtitles is somehow superior to watching them dubbed. Anime fanboys do this a lot, and it's one of the biggest reasons why I don't hang out in anime fan communities anymore.
 

Pardon me for getting long-winded again here.
sniffles said:
Have a bad experience at the movies lately, Funny Hat? ;)
Nope. Just despise ingnorant and irresponsible parents, as well as the kind of stupidity that productes the ratings systems we have in this country.
Actually, I think some of the blame here should lie with the theatres that don't enforce the ratings. How many times have any of us been asked for ID when enterting a theatre? The staff just take your money and hand you a ticket. They don't ask if you're old enough to be escorting that minor into the theatre, and they don't refuse to admit people with children to from NC-17 movies. The rating system is meaningless if no one applies it.
Or is it that noone applies it because it's meaningless? What is the penalty for allowing a 16 year old into an NC-17 movie? There ISN'T one. It simply isn't up to the theatre to restrict your entry into the movie because of the ratings. The ratings don't work that way. The only way a situation like that can get you in legal trouble is letting underage kids into X-rated movies but that's not because of the ratings - it's because of providing minors access to pornography.

If you go look into the MPAA website you'll see that the purpose of the ratings is supposed to be strictly informational. It's ONLY meant to provide PARENTS with guidance on the appropriateness of the content of a film for their children. If you're an adult who is not responsible for children the ratings are effectively meaningless. Even so, the system is entirely voluntary on the part of the studios and they are under no legal requirement to submit their films to the ratings board. The ratings board are not censors. What they are is a group of 14-18 individuals who are subject to their own standards of what's appropriate. They vote on ratings by simple majority.

Given the incredibly simplistic categories of the current ratings system it's no wonder that their apparant standards of appropriateness swing wildly. Take the case of the South Park movie. It was originally given an NC-17 rating and told they'd have to remove some things to get a lower rating. According to the makers of the film they instead put even MORE "offensive" material in and when resubmitted it earned an R. Movies are recut and resubmitted to earn lower ratings for only one reason - more parents will take their children or allow them to see movies with content supposedly more appropriate for a wider, younger audience. That is, they want lower MPAA ratings to make more money.

But the ratings don't seperate out elements of language, nudity, violence - the ratings don't enable them to be specific. The result is that the individual elements aren't generally why a film earns a given rating. The ratings are decided with the content taken as a whole because there is no PG-V (for violence) or R-NL (for nudity/language) rating. Although IF YOU LOOK, you can find reviews that will indicate WHY a film was given a particular rating, but the rating itself does not. So what you've got is a ratings system that is less than informative and a public that doesn't really understand the how/why of the ratings, puts far too much faith in the ratings as a result, or else largely ignore the ratings anyway.

That means that the problem is both ignorant, irresponsible parents and a very bad rating system.

It kinda seems like there might now be some changes in store for ratings not just of movies but music and games too because of this stupid Grand Theft Auto lawsuit. Those changes are not likely to be too good for ANYBODY because it's going to result in GOVERNEMENT involvement, which frankly is VASTLY worse than 14 yr olds playing the "hidden" nudie version of GTA:SA
 

Dubbing

Dark Jezter said:
Sorry, I just get annoyed by people who act like watching foreign language films in subtitles is somehow superior to watching them dubbed. Anime fanboys do this a lot, and it's one of the biggest reasons why I don't hang out in anime fan communities anymore.

Two things about this: a) A lot of what people hate about dubbing probably has to do with instances of BAD dubbing. If I see a Hong Kong Jackie Chan film, ideally it would be great to have him to the dubbing himself, but barring this, have someone with a similar accent and voice, and it isn't too bad. There is one of his films though, where his voice seems to have been done by some large jawed, butch Causasian male, and it sounded pretty bad coming from his character. There is just something -way- more aesthetic about hearing the right voice from the right person. If that annoys you, so be it, but I believe it to be the truth. b) I don't mind dubbing in anime at all. I don't think I have ever seen an anime cartoon with subtitles, though I'd like to. Since these are cartoons, there isn't really an inherent right voice, though there are still original voices, good voices and bad voices. I think most anime fanboys probably are turned off by performances that truly are subpar when compared to the original Japanese.

There is some other disturbing trend that I was going to post about, but I can't seem to remember what it was at this moment... Oh yes... I really -despise- seeing commercials at the theatre, at least ones that have nothing to do with the theatre experience itself. I could stomach ones for food stuffs (no pun intended, really) available from the concession, but I do not want to see a freakin' car commercial or cell phone ad at the theatre.
On the other than, I don't mind, I even look forward to, trailers for movies that aren't coming out yet, especially for ones that won't be out for a while. I know some people complain about having to sit through like twenty of these, but as long as two or three of those twenty were worth it, and the rest were interesting or mediocre, it's all good.
 

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