Discontinuity: 3e and D&D

[ThirdWizard]

People got upset because they hate Buffy.

They see the avatar and go into Hyper-Rage.

Kristy Swanson is the only true Buffy.

All others are but a pale imitation.

 

[Charwoman Gene]

Kristy Swanson is the only true Buffy.

All others are but a pale imitation.

*Sarcasm*
I hate when they make movies to capitalize on a good show.

They never live up to the original.

*Sarcasm*

 

[ThirdWizard]

Actually the movie came first. Joss wrote the screenplay, but unfortunately wasn't allowed to have much control after it was accepted. Editing and direction really changed his vision and he actually walked out on the set. He ironically didn't want to go into TV; his father had been in TV, and he wanted to no part in it. However, he accepted to make the Buffy TV show eventually, and the rest is history.

 

[twofalls]

d02 ain't D&D.

Just to be legalistic. D20 D&D actually is D&D. More so than AD&D as a matter of pure fact just because the lawsuit was settled and the name was legally reinstated by WoTC. Pointing this out has nothing really to do with what this thread is about, but its an interesting footnote.

 

[Turjan]

d02 ain't D&D

Just to be legalistic. D20 D&D actually is D&D. More so than AD&D as a matter of pure fact just because the lawsuit was settled and the name was legally reinstated by WoTC.

Just to be legalistic, diaglo is speaking about the original d02 game by Clawring Crabe, which has really nothing to do with d20 .

 

[fanboy2000]

I think you've clearly presented my overall position.

You call that clear? :\ I'd really hate to see what you consider obtuse.

I spend my work days teaching freshmen students the difference between valid and invalid arguments

That explains why you think that's clear.

hard to see why people got so upset. It must be my provocative way of expressing myself.

Look at it this way: It's one thing to say that 3e is a diffrent game. It's another thing to say that's it's a fundamentally diffrent game. Also, going on an on about 3e being a diffrent game and dressing it up in obtuse language isn't going to get you a positive response, even from people who may agree with you.

But I have a feeling that was rhetorical.

 

[Melan]

I think it was Rayburr, who earlier in this thread stated that D&D is more of a style of play or a genre than a specific rule set. As much as I'd like to disagree with him, as much as it wouldn't be true in my own perfect little rpg world, I think he's correct given the degree to which people agree with him. For the vast majority of rpg'ers out there "D&D" is, in fact, a style of play pretty much independant of any rule set. R.A.

Case in point, when I got fed up with playing AD&D with the 2nd edition rules, I mostly left gaming for some three years. When I returned, I returned with Palladium Fantasy RPG. Now Palladium is a D&D clone - different in a lot of areas, but you can recognize it as a derivative game. When we played Palladium, we were essentially still playing D&D. The party roles were the same, the style of the adventures was the same (a bit less inter-PC backstabbing than usual, though), and it felt D&D to us. Better D&D, in fact, than 2e.

Then came 3e, and later on, C&C, or my own derivation thereof... so yeah, for me, D&D is a gaming style and an assumed millieu first and foremost, a set of "objects" (classes, spells, magic items, monsters) second and a mechanical framework third. Not that rules don't matter - they do. I just place them at a third place. I can play the kind of D&D I like with 3e, and I did. Other editions + my house rules just do a better job from my perspective.

 

[JamesDJarvis]

D&D has changed.

Once adventurers were talented and daring folks who would become heroes and then lords of fantastic realms (or peers of such folk) now adventurers are born heroes and continue on a hamster wheel of heroic action.

 

[Kanegrundar]

D&D has changed.

Once adventurers were talented and daring folks who would become heroes and then lords of fantastic realms (or peers of such folk) now adventurers are born heroes and continue on a hamster wheel of heroic action.

Uh...Ok. I don't really see that. 3E characters may be a little tougher than their 2E counterparts, maybe. However, the monsters seem to be tougher as well. The mortality rate of characters IMC's is either the same or higher in other editions. As for them being heroes, I don't know how your campaigns are ran, but IMC's the characters have to gain a reputation before they are regarded as "heroes."

Kane

 

[ThirdWizard]

D&D has changed.

Once adventurers were talented and daring folks who would become heroes and then lords of fantastic realms (or peers of such folk) now adventurers are born heroes and continue on a hamster wheel of heroic action.

"I ran out of good plot ideas! It must be 3E's fault!"