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Dish Network- my experience with them

As a former satellite installer, phone tech and customer service guy, my few cents:

1) If your signal breaks up in the rain, and there is nothing in the way of the signal, your dish needs to be fine tuned. It's either gone out of alignment over time or the guy putting it up was filling 'minimum reqs' for installation. If you have a single LNB, go look for a 'satellite finder' or 'satbeeper' at Radio Shack or somewhere. $5-$15 for a perfectly usable tone generator that some of the other the other techs swore by. Multiple LNB can be done as well, you just have to make sure the dish is 'perfectly' level and find the degree settings for tilt from your box.

2) If your signal goes in and out, the meter going from very high to low, then something is in the way. Trees, phone line, whatever...if its worse when the wind is blowing, there you go. Repair fee saved.

3) Do not sign the work order until the installer is 100% done. One guy I trained with had me reload the truck while he handed the paperwork to a guy to sign. He told the customer that he was going to tack up all the wires and clean everything up. Right after the guy signed, the trainer came out to the truck to 'get a tool', hustled me in and we drove off leaving the skirting of the trailer off and cables everywhere. When we got into the shop, our boss confronted him on the mess and the trainer showed him where the customer signed off.

My boss then said 'Oh well, he signed the part where he agreed the work was done."

I kid you not.

4) If you do not want a dish but cannot put up an antenna at your house due to a rental contract or somesuch, there is hope. Check:
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html
It is, in fact, illegal for any body (landlord, local or state) to forbid you the installation of an antenna for television reception. It is also illegal for anyone to require you to wait for approval, pay for studies or surveys, as long as said antenna does not have any parts more than 12 ft above the peak of the roof. You may still have to notify the landlord, etc that you are doing it, but they cannot stop or punish you. And it is THEIR burden to prove their rules are valid.

5) Unless you absolutely HAVE to use satellite internet for broadband. Don't. Seriously.

6) Buy your own poles, concrete, etc. if you need to have it installed in your yard. The price for them putting up a pole for you is criminal.

7) If the guy 'forgot' his ladder or 'thinks it will be better' to put your dish on a tree, he is violating his companies rules, the providers rules and depending on your area, maybe a few rules regarding grounding, etc. The guys job, no matter who he works for, REQUIRES he have at least a 28' ladder on his vehicle to do work. If he doesn't, make sure his boss knows.

8) See if your state has legislation on the deregulation of Cable. Michigan has the Exclusive Franchise BS and it's looking to be overturned very soon. Word has it when the same happened in Texas, the prices dropped to 1/3 in some areas. Right now, my mom pays $19.99/mo for 3mb Internet and Extended Basic. (!!!!)

9) If the work from your satellite installer looks like crap, make him fix it. If he tries to say you 'only paid for basic installation', remind him you get 'free professional installation'. If you can, bury the cable for him, but if you can't or really don't want to....burying cable is part of the job. $1/ft of cable burying is probably his way of scaring you off and a call to his boss will fix it quick.

10) Some states ( check for yours here http://www.rcfp.org/taping/ ) allow you to record conversations you are participating in (like Michigan for example). If you think complaining to the company won't help, put it out there for public opinion. It would truly be a surprise if they ever decided to come after you for that.

See here for things they are supposed to be doing and not doing every time they call you:
http://www.junkbusters.com/script.html
 
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Oh....almost forgot.

#11.
Those hi-qual cables that cost you $25 for your pc/hdtv/satellite/cable/etc?
They cost your friend/cousin/sibling/nephew at the BigBlueBox Store $2 and change on their employee discount. Seriously.
 

trancejeremy said:
Your mother's BF isn't KenM? Sounds like one of his experiences with customer service :D

ROFLMAO. See, its not just me that have trouble with these type of things.
 

Oscaron said:
As a former satellite installer, phone tech and customer service guy, my few cents:


Quick Question (As I've been getting nowhere with Dish Cust. Service).

Our Dish 500 box keeps losing sat. reception to certain channels. Namely Sat 119, Transponder 4 (or whatever Food Network, ESPN-2, and MTV-2) are on. It occasionaly hits other channels too.

But, It's intermittent & when I go to the Sat Set Up box, it seems to be finding it OK.

All I've been able to get out of Dish is "Probably Trees, but we can send a Tech out for 90 bucks. How about three Thursdays from Now? You just have to make sure someone is home between the hours of 9 AM to 3 PM". (It's Not trees. THe problem happens when there is no wind. When it blows from the east, blows from the west, etc. It seems to get worse the hotter it is).

Then is a simple impossibility. My wife only has 1 day of vacation left & I have a new job where Vacation won't kick in till next year.

I should also mention, we didn't instal the Dish. The Dish was there when we moved. We just took advantage of the Dish Mover Deal.

But, talking to Dish about it is about as useful as hitting my head on a cinder block wall.
 

Just a quick question, when you call Dish customer service is it like Dell in the fact you get someone in India and every time you get transfered to someone new you have to give them all your info all over again?
 

All this talk about satellite and the problems makes me glad I am on Digital Cable. Maybe its the localness of it but customer service is a breeze. 24 hour help, no blackouts, and I can order new channels at a whim.... plus with Video on Demand ( like PPV but 1000 times better). Now I just need to wait for the digital phone to be available in my area... I can bundle my phone Broadband and cable into one package.... gawd.... I just realized how much like a commercial I sound like.
 

KenM said:
Just a quick question, when you call Dish customer service is it like Dell in the fact you get someone in India and every time you get transfered to someone new you have to give them all your info all over again?

That's pretty much anywhere anymore. That's why I'm not in computer work so much anymore ;)

One note on Dell and India support though. Shortly after they started sending a lot of that work over to India, they had to re-allocate a lot to some other location.

Seems a lot of Americans have a problem understanding English spoken with the Indian cadence and rhythm.

I, myself, find myself so distracted by the way the words sound and the rhythm is so hypnotic to me, I cannot speak with most people originally from India speaking English. It has nothing to do with them speaking unclearly, it's just that I cannot focus on the words...something with the emphasis on differeing parts of the word than I expect.

Inevitably, I apologize and I end up asking to speak to someone else....then I get called a racist and it's a 50/50 whether I get hung up on or get another person.

*sigh*

Osc
 

What's the signal strength compared to the other sats? If it's any more than 15-20% off the others, it's just not pointed correctly. No telling how long it was up there without a tweak.

On a clear, sunny day, one of the things I try before ever getting out the wrench is to take my index finger and push the dish (near the frame so as not to warp the dish....useless info that way) lightly but firmly left, right, up and down, holding at each for 10 sec or so while watching the signal.

Then do the same by grasping the sides and lightly twist clockwise and counterclockwise.

The natural give of the materials or the place it mounted will give you a quick idea of where improvements need to me made. Especially if you grab the pole that the dish is mounted to and lift (weight of the dish has taken it's toll. Unlikely though with a Dish 500 tho...has support struts, no?).

If numbers go higher...there you go. If while twisting, the numbers diverge more....bad. If they converge. Spiff!

NOTE: BEFORE GRABBING THAT WRENCH, MARK THE CURRENT EXACT POSITON NEAR ALL BOLTS WITH A SHARPY

Reason, if you screw up, you have a way to 'reset'.

When adjusting, take care of your direction before your elevation.

If using a compass, remember to account for magnetic deviation
http://www.geo-orbit.org/sizepgs/magmapsp.html#anchor598933


OR...go to http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/products/installation/azimuth/index.shtml for an app that does all that for you ;)

Last thing. Check the box in the setup area for the exact direction and elevation of the individual satellites. Depending on where you are, it should have a lower left to upper right slant in the line of satellites. Now spot where the satellites are from your dish and see if there is anything blocking in a 5 degree or so radius around the point where the sat should be. If so, get rid of the stuff blocking it if you can.

Vraille Darkfang said:
Quick Question (As I've been getting nowhere with Dish Cust. Service).

Our Dish 500 box keeps losing sat. reception to certain channels. Namely Sat 119, Transponder 4 (or whatever Food Network, ESPN-2, and MTV-2) are on. It occasionaly hits other channels too.

But, It's intermittent & when I go to the Sat Set Up box, it seems to be finding it OK.

All I've been able to get out of Dish is "Probably Trees, but we can send a Tech out for 90 bucks. How about three Thursdays from Now? You just have to make sure someone is home between the hours of 9 AM to 3 PM". (It's Not trees. THe problem happens when there is no wind. When it blows from the east, blows from the west, etc. It seems to get worse the hotter it is).

Then is a simple impossibility. My wife only has 1 day of vacation left & I have a new job where Vacation won't kick in till next year.

I should also mention, we didn't instal the Dish. The Dish was there when we moved. We just took advantage of the Dish Mover Deal.

But, talking to Dish about it is about as useful as hitting my head on a cinder block wall.
 

Vraille Darkfang said:
(It's Not trees. THe problem happens when there is no wind. When it blows from the east, blows from the west, etc. It seems to get worse the hotter it is).

OOH! OOH! OOH! Got it!

Where do you live? and is your dish plastic?? ;)

Osc
 

werk said:
I love my cable but that's obviously a regional/local thing. Madison replaced and upgraded all the cable lines in the last several years to accomodate high speed infrastructure the city demanded. Great experience with cust supp, reasonable rates (comparably), and great service (picture, speed, no down time, etc).

Using a dish is basically the same as using cable, except instead of running a cable to your house from the local cable company's satellite dishes, they transmit it. I can't understand how a received signal could possibly be better quality, speed, or reliability than a hard line.
I got Dish last year after pricing both DirecTV and local cable. Dish was cheaper than both of them. I have had no problems, and in fact nothing but good times with satellite for the last year.

DirecTV was not much more expensive, though, and it does have some good channels. In particular DirecTV is owned by FOX, so they have all the FOX stuff, FX, FSN, Fox News, more readily than does Dish. My thoughts on Fox News aren't appropriate to ENworld, but the others'd be nice to have.

Oh, and satellite means I get NFL network on the cheapest setting, which is pretty sweet. Unlike most folks in Madison, I can watch Brett Favre's last home game. (of course, this is just a ploy by the NFL to strongarm Comcast into putting NFL network on the basic service, but I'm glad to not be the customers being fought over.)

-C.
 

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