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Star Wars Disney's making 10 Star Wars and 10 Marvel TV shows

MNblockhead

A Title Much Cooler Than Anything on the Old Site
Hayden's coming back as Darth Vader for the Obi-Wan Kenobi show!

The Twitter links don't appear to be working. I've been seeing a number of thread where folks include a twitter link and it is just a blue bird icon that isn't even hyperlinked.

Probably best to just cut and paste the text of the tweet. Otherwise the post is meaningless. Unless there is something on my end that is preventing me from seeing them.
 

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MNblockhead

A Title Much Cooler Than Anything on the Old Site
The Twitter links don't appear to be working. I've been seeing a number of thread where folks include a twitter link and it is just a blue bird icon that isn't even hyperlinked.

Probably best to just cut and paste the text of the tweet. Otherwise the post is meaningless. Unless there is something on my end that is preventing me from seeing them.
Strange, the tweet shows up in the quote of your post in my reply. The only way I can see and follow a tweet linked to in a post is by replying to the post. Is this the same for others?
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
The Twitter links don't appear to be working. I've been seeing a number of thread where folks include a twitter link and it is just a blue bird icon that isn't even hyperlinked.

Probably best to just cut and paste the text of the tweet. Otherwise the post is meaningless. Unless there is something on my end that is preventing me from seeing them.
Must be your browser or something. Twitter embeds show up just fine.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
That's too much TV.

Seriously, this is guaranteed to burn me out on the franchises.

I happen to agree.

Some people get burned out on the MCU (and I can't blame them). To recap- the MCU is 23 movies. Since 2007.

A series/season of American TV is 23 episodes (standard broadcast) and between 8 and 13 episodes of "premium" or "prestige" TV.

If it's all done well, that's great! I won't look a gift horse in the mouth; but there can be too much of a good thing, and you don't want to oversaturate the market.
 


Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Some people get burned out on the MCU (and I can't blame them). To recap- the MCU is 23 movies. Since 2007.

A series/season of American TV is 23 episodes (standard broadcast) and between 8 and 13 episodes of "premium" or "prestige" TV.

So... the MCU is 2 (regular) to 4 (premium) seasons worth of content. Folks get burned out on a show/property after 2 to 4 seasons?

That seems to me to be less about how much content there is, and more about how you've chosen to relate to that content.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I see a lot of potentially good stuff on the Marvel side...

We already knew about...
  • WandaVision, - January 15th release date.
  • The Falcon and the Winter Solider with a March release date
  • Loki got a May 2021 release date.
  • Hawkeye is premiering on Disney Plus in “late Fall 2021.”
These are all limited series, and they look like they'll be released one after the other - so you effectively get "a year of Avengers stories". We also already knew about
  • What If?, an animated series from Marvel Studios
  • Moon Knight
  • She-Hulk
  • Ms. Marvel.

three new series coming to Disney Plus:
  • Ironheart, set to star Dominique Thorne engineering protégé Riri Williams;
  • Armor Wars, which examines one of “Tony Stark’s biggest fears” and stars Don Cheadle, who is reprising his role as Colonel James “Rhodey” Rhodes;
  • Secret Invasion, the previously rumored Nick Fury-led series that will see Samuel L. Jackson reprise his role as the SHIELD director alongside Ben Mendelsohn’s Skull shapeshifter Talos.

Marvel Studios is working on a new Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special for Disney Plus, due out in 2022, that will be directed by James Gunn. The special will film alongside the upcoming Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 3, also directed by Gunn and set for release in 2023.
There’s also I Am Groot, a series of short films starring Groot.

Movies

  • Feige confirmed that Black Panther 2 will not recast the late Chadwick Boseman’s King T’Challa. The film, set to be directed by Ryan Coogler, is still set for July 2022.
  • A third Ant-Man film, Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania, is officially in development. Peyton Reed will return to direct, as will Paul Rudd, Evangeline Lilly, Michael Douglas, and Michelle Pfeiffer. Quantumania will also introduce Jonathan Majors (Atticus in Lovecraft Country) as Kang the Conqueror, one of Marvel’s biggest villains.
  • Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness will tie in to both the upcoming Wandavision and Sony and Marvel’s third Spider-Man movie. The studio also confirmed that Benedict Cumberbatch’s Doctor Strange will be appearing in the still unnamed Spider-Man sequel.
  • Finally, Marvel Studios is developing a new Fantastic Four movie.
 


That seems to me to be less about how much content there is, and more about how you've chosen to relate to that content.

A lot of it is also about how the stories are intertwined. There are differences between stories that exist in the same universe, stories that reference each other, stories with required history, and stories that straight up advertise for other stories.

For example, you can watch The Avengers and Avengers: Age of Ultron without seeing any other movies in the MCU. Incredible Hulk and Guardians of the Galaxy take place in the same universe, but are basically isolated stories. And there are references to Iron Man, Thor, etc, but those are all optional viewing.

Avengers: Infinity War has a lot of required history to understand what's going on. I saw it without seeing Thor: Ragnarok and was really caught off guard at the beginning. If I hadn't seen Captain America: Civil War, or Black Panther I would have been completely lost. Early on, it seemed like the MCU had a goal that series would be contained (e.g. Iron Man 1, 2, and 3 were independent from Thor 1 and 2, etc). I feel like they dropped that idea around Civil War, which was technically a Captain America movie but really should have been an Avengers film. I also know that Agents of Shield had some tight tie-ins with Winter Soldier and Dark World, but I managed to steer clear of all three of those.

Likewise, season 1 of the Mandalorian references the EU a lot, but the story doesn't drift that far from Mando, the characters they introduce, and the original movies. Season 2 delves deep with the darksaber, Ahsoka Tano, etc. Scenes like the confrontation between Bo-Katan and the Imperial officer in episode 11 allude to history and relationships in way that breeds intrigue without giving you much information; they're clearly pushing the viewer to dig into other series to learn more.

And that's before you even get into to crossovers, poorly disguised pilots, and cameos.
 

pukunui

Legend
Surely the most memorable character from Rogue One! :D
Also the most controversial, as some don’t like the idea that the Rebels employed assassins.

I like the character myself, and am looking forward to this show. Too bad it’s not coming out till 2022.
 


TwoSix

Unserious gamer
You reckon Rangers will be about Cara? I'm thinking it might be about Trapper Wolf (Dave Filoni) and Carson Teva (Paul Sun-Hyung). "Ranger" implies roaming around, like they do, whereas Cara seems pretty well settled on Nevarro now.
I'm glad this is just one more example to confuse us as to what a "ranger" is. :)
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
A lot of it is also about how the stories are intertwined.

But, I return to the fact that all of the MCU has roughly the content of a couple of seasons of TV. If it were TV, you'd expect it to be intertwined. So... how is intertwining on this much content a problem?
 


Zardnaar

Legend
If all ten shows get around 4 seasons it's less material than say Stargate SG1 +Atlantis or two seasons of TNG/DS9 or/Voyager.

You can probably watch the whole lot in less than a year without trying to hard or binge watch in a few months.
 

embee

Lawyer by day. Rules lawyer by night.
That's too much TV.

Seriously, this is guaranteed to burn me out on the franchises.

Maybe. But what's the alternative?

Movies?

Cinemark got emergency funding 3 weeks ago to stay out of Chapter 11. It's the number two exhibitor in the world. Mall companies are deep in the red and in danger of going under because (a) the lockdowns closed down enclosed shopping malls and (b) the anchor stores are all going bankrupt (Lord & Taylor, JC Penney, Sears, Macy's). You need malls for movie theaters, at least in America. On top of that, Star Wars killed movie theaters.

Here's how...

Studios and exhibitors split the box office. Studios always got a big chunk of the opening week or two, but it was usually 60/40, with it then shifting to the exhibitors as time went on. To protect the investment, there was a exclusivity window. Movies had to be in the theaters first. For several months. Then they could go to the home market. But when the prequels came out, George Lucas rang the death knell. He demanded a 70/30 split with that split favoring the studio longer, that the movie had to be on the biggest screens, that the equipment all get upgraded at the exhibitors' expense, and that the movies had to stay on the biggest screens for a longer amount of time. The exhibitors wanted the prequels. So they said yes.

Gradually, the split that was special because of Star Wars became more of the norm. And MCU and Harry Potter movies used this split. The exhibitors still had to pay the "house nut" - payroll, utilities, rent - and that kept going up. Their only option was to raise ticket prices so they could pay those expenses. And because they are the ones taking the cash from the public, they are the Bad Guy.

Meanwhile, the exhibition windows got shorter and home theater technology got better. So people started asking.... "Why am I going to pay all this money to see movies in the theater, when I can see it at home for nearly the same quality but at a much cheaper cost?"

Enter in the most dangerous technology of all. Not streaming... Torrents.

One of Lucas' sticking points was that theaters switch to digital projection. Theaters stopped getting film canisters and started getting files. And they would wind up on the internet. DVD encryption got cracked. Onto the internet with more content. The studios didn't take the hit. The theaters did.

And that went on for over a decade.

And here we are - with 4K TVs coming down in price and movie tickets, when theaters do open back up, having to go up in price. A family of 4 can expect a movie to cost $100. To see one movie.

Maybe a Star Wars tentpole movie is worth it. Maybe an MCU movie is worth it.

But there aren't 12 movies a year that are worth it and there certainly aren't 52 movies a year that are worth it. Rent is due every month. Payroll needs to get paid every week. How will theaters stay open? Malls are failing. Exhibitors are going to start failing. Coronavirus kicked the Retailpocalypse into high gear.

It's a lot of TV. But where is the return for Disney for theatrical releases?
 

But, I return to the fact that all of the MCU has roughly the content of a couple of seasons of TV. If it were TV, you'd expect it to be intertwined. So... how is intertwining on this much content a problem?

There is really no part of this that I can agree with.

- Movies and TV shows are a very different experience, from pacing, to release schedules, accessibility, and methods to watching them. You can't just sum the run-times and claim it's a fungible experience.

- I just explained how intertwining can be a problem on something the scale of the MCU in my last post.

- We don't know yet how much "this much content" is. It sounds to me like it's much more than just a "couple seasons of TV".

- "If it were TV, you'd expect it to be intertwined." On so many levels, no. One of the reasons why some of the best and longest running TV series of all time are considered great is because you can pick up random episode and enjoy it with no backstory: Star Trek, Law and Order, 90% of the X-files, Gunsmoke, The Simpsons. Even in shows that have year long story arcs like 24 or Buffy, things are mostly isolated by season. And in the most extremely convoluted cases like Game of Thrones, they at least restrict themselves to continuity within the same show. Star Wars and the MCU are linking stories across multiple series, multiple media, and multiple continuities.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
You need malls for movie theaters, at least in America
Hardly. Of all the theaters in my town, one is in a shopping mall. The rest are in shopping centers of various kinds, sure, but nothing like a mall. Even the one at the local mall is it's own separate building with it's own parking lot, on the same city block but not actually attached to the mall. You could easily shut down the mall without shutting down the theater.
 


delericho

Legend
I'm surprised they've announced so much, but there's an awful lot in there that sounds really good. Also, presumably at least some of these will be mini-series, and at least some will be fairly solidly standalone.

Besides, I'd rather have too much stuff than too little - there will no doubt be some things I just don't like, and the set of things I enjoy won't line up perfectly with the set you enjoy. If there's plenty, and a good range, there's a good chance we both win. :)
 

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