Do you let Magic Missiles destroy Mirror Images?

Do you let Magic Missiles destroy Mirror Images?

  • Yes

    Votes: 134 80.2%
  • No

    Votes: 33 19.8%

  • Poll closed .
KarinsDad said:
Player: "Honest Mr DM. I thought there was someone standing in the door, so I shot my Magic Missiles at him. Can I help it if it was just a trick of the light? Explain again why if it was an illusion of a person on the door, how it would hit the door and damage it and how if it was just my mind playing tricks on me, how the door is not damaged?" :D


Personally, I do not think that character beliefs should be used to adjudicate game mechanics.

I don't think anyone is claiming it will damage it.
 

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starwed said:
Out of curiosity, what happens when you target each wizard with one missile? I'd say that RAW, the whole spell fails, since the collection of targets chosen is invalid, but is that how you'd actually run it?

I've said several times in the last week that as written, I think if one of the selected targets is invalid, the casting fails; but that also in my game I resolve the targeting of each missile separately, so that the missiles with valid targets behave normally, and the missiles without valid targets fail to manifest.

-Hyp.
 

RigaMortus2 said:
I don't think anyone is claiming it will damage it.

No, but they are claiming that it will damage figments. How is it different? Figments? Objects? The spell affects neither. If a case can be made for one, couldn't a case be made for the other?
 

I think I was the one thinking it would damage it... but then after reading Hypers take on it I like his interpretation better.
 

Hypersmurf said:
If the one you pick is a druid, the characteristics of the spell cannot be made to conform, and the casting fails.

What do you base this on? Why is it possible to choose an illegal target for a spell and have it fail?

Bye
Thanee
 

Thanee said:
What do you base this on? Why is it possible to choose an illegal target for a spell and have it fail?

I think the example in the PHB is casting a Charm Person spell on a dog or some such:

If you ever try to cast a spell in conditions where the characteristics of the spell cannot be made to conform, the casting fails and the spell is wasted.
 

Lord knows I've used that trick on the PC's Mirror Images enough... that's where they learned the trick, in fact.

I'd rather Magic Missile be a specific counter to Mirror Image than a general Detect Figment spell (hey, that Red Dragon's a figment, otherwise my Magic Missile would have hurt it!). OK, maybe the Red Dragon is a bad example, as is anything else capable of casting Shield, but I think I've made my point.
 

Thanks, KD. Where is that stated?

I can see how a strict reading leads there, but as said above, I would let it count as a viable target for Magic Missile (illusionary creature). Especially since the figments, unlike normal figments, get destroyed when attacked. :)

Bye
Thanee
 

Various text

So, from mirror image:

Enemies attempting to attack you or cast spells at you must select from among indistinguishable targets. Any successful attack against an image destroys it.
(Bold emphasis added.)

From magic missile:

Targets: Up to five creatures, no two of which can be more than 15 ft. apart

...

A missile of magical energy darts forth from your fingertip and strikes its target, dealing 1d4+1 points of force damage.

...

Inanimate objects are not damaged by the spell.
Based on the spell text, I'd rull that since magic missile is a "spell targetting the caster", the mirror image text requires the caster select an image at random for each missile. This is based on a read which is that the *caster* selects the target, and the missile unerringly strikes that target. It's up to the caster to pick the target, not the spell.

However, at that point, the text is ambiguous. Since magic missile can only target creatures, does the magic missile fizzle, or does it strike, but deal no damage? This is important because one must decide if the missile is considered a successful attack. I consider the text to be ambiguous because the targetting line disallows non-creatures from being targetted, but then goes on to say that inanimate objects are not damaged by the spell. I get a disconnect between 'up to 5 creatures' and 'inanimate objects'. If the text had "cannot damage an inanimate object", then I don't have a problem, but the text reads "are not damaged".

Now, I'm wondering now about the text from invisibility:

For purposes of this spell, an attack includes any spell targeting a foe or whose area or effect includes a foe. (Exactly who is a foe depends on the invisible character’s perceptions.)
If one were to case magic missile while invisible, and have the misfortune to select one of the figments from mirror image, does one become visible? Is a figment a foe? Does a figment count as a foe because you think that it is? What if you know that it isn't because another attack in the round has given you accurate targetting information?

For multiple missiles (and generally for spells with multiple targets), I thought that the targetting rules were handled separately for each target. I'm not sure if the the targetting is done all at once, or one at a time, since I've seen GM's do this either way.

In any case, I thought that magic missile was grandfathered to remove figments, one per missile, although, I don't see that on www.d20srd.org.
 

Thanee said:
Thanks, KD. Where is that stated?

PHB p171, under 'Spell Failure'.

"If you ever try to cast a spell in conditions where the characteristics of the spell (range, area, or the like) cannot be made to conform, the casting fails and the spell is wasted. For example, if you cast charm person on a dog, the spell fails because the dog is the wrong sort of target for the spell."

For example, if you cast magic missile on a mirror image figment, the spell fails because the figment is the wrong sort of target for the spell.

See the parallel? :)

I can see how a strict reading leads there...

Me too :)

-Hyp.
 
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