Do you want Tieflings in the phb?

[Green Knight]

So all dual-wielders are drizzt clones now? No wonder there are so many of them supposed to populate the gaming tables. Hey, my character can cast light. He must be a Gandalf clone!!!

I'm not talking about all dual wielders. I'm talking about that specific case. And in that case, yes he is, because he actually set out to create a Drizzt clone, and then tweak it in such a way as to create an even tougher character.

 

[ProtoClone]

Please stick to the discussion of Tieflings without bringing the relative merits of other races and playstyles into this, thanks.

Sorry, that was ment more to be more of a joke and just plain silliness. Guess it would've helped to added "j/k" afterwards.

 

[Truth Seeker]

Must expand on that, and after reading all the current pages from the PC mobile to desktop, from last night to this morning.

You are only one, to give mention to a culture reference.

Besides having a cultural background, the majority of the 'core' races have other points not mentioned.

A loosely based 'Government' structure system.
Economic resources and value.
The ability to raise arm forces in the time of defensive and war.

Does the suppose including mention of the "Tiefling" meet this requirements?

Shucks, even some of the non-human races, can at least meet two or three of the four setups to be classified as a near 'core' class.

Half-breeds cannot.

I read some posts, that mentioned the removal of the half-breeds altogether...and yes, it is high time, such a thing needs to be done.

That 'feature' has run its course, and so far, so far...has anyone seen a module (not a novel), that the half-breeds have become a nation unto theirselves?

Anyone?

Sorry to sound pratical, but pratical common sense needed here. Even in the fantasy settings.

The mere mentioned of this 'mixed breeding' getting the core race stamp, is also very short-sighted. The other before mentioend half-breeds of Orc and Elf, should get that 'status' too. Cause, they have been around much longer, in previous and current core books.

Some others have said on the 'Tieflings', they are just there as a flavor, coloring, fluff.

The cool looking factor of being different.

All nice and dandy.

But from a pratical 'core race' classification requirement...they don't have it.

Not now, and not ever.

But all of this could be changed, if someone in the R&D box fonted the possible argument, that yeah...it is time to flip the switch, it is time to go crazy.

And yeah, it has been a accepted part as well, that books or material must grow up also.

But let's be pratical here...and puts some sense into it. Let there be near-fool-proof-reason of an existence that should be there.

And not just, for the hell of it.

Let the detractors and non-detractors be given sufficient understanding of why, such a thing may or must exist.

We honestly deserve that much. At this time, oh yes we do.

And the saddest part of this all. And funny to a point too. On a social scale outlook, to earn a 'core race' marker, what social outstanding benefits are there, that will advance them into a acceptable status, of being...a major race?

Feel free to pick this apart.

And oh, No is my vote.

How much can you possibly write about the Tiefling? "Fiendish blood, have horns, feel like they don't fit in, vagabonds, outcasts"? Seriously, what do they have that can't be done in a simple template in the Monster Manuel or Dungeon Master's Guide? Do you people really want them to take up space in not only the PHB with their Talents and Feats, but in every single Supplement to ever be released for then on?

Has anyone else here actually read the Half-Orc and Half-Elf text in the PHB? Anyone try to suffer through Races of Destiny? I have never read so much useless bloat in my life. The Tiefling suffers the same problem!

Elves, Humans, Halflings, Dwarves, and Gnomes all have their own unique fully established cultures. These 'don't just fit in' races do not belong because they aren't worth the trouble.

 

[David Argall]

As said, Tieflings are just not one of the top 8 choices for a D&D PC. Increase the number of allowable races to 20 or so, and it can go in, but we have several races of more interest to the players, better connection to the history of the game, and better mythos connection too.

Put the Tiefling in PH2 or 3.

 

[Aus_Snow]

Of course, it's obvious why they're putting them in the PHB. Doesn't mean I have to like it. Hm, or buy it.

Angels and demons sell BIG. Hella marketable. People love them. Heck, *I* do too, for what it's worth. They have that certain something, an allure or whatever. I get that. But guys, there is a time and place. Core book time is not the time. PHB is not the place. Mm'k?

 

[Seeten]

Seems to me Forgotten Realms is the default setting for 4e, and that seems to mean Tieflings need to be in the PHB, since they are a core FR race. I don't understand all the debate?

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

That 'feature' has run its course, and so far, so far...has anyone seen a module (not a novel), that the half-breeds have become a nation unto theirselves?

Anyone?

Half-elves in Eberron.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Seems to me Forgotten Realms is the default setting for 4e, and that seems to mean Tieflings need to be in the PHB, since they are a core FR race. I don't understand all the debate?

For starters, Forgotten Realms isn't the default setting for 4E.

 

[Aus_Snow]

For starters, Forgotten Realms isn't the default setting for 4E.

Yeah, I heard it was something like a part-'alt.Earth', high fantasy / sword & sorcery, metasetting thing, built upon on the still-warm remains of Greyhawk.

 

[grimslade]

Yeah, I heard it was something like a part-'alt.Earth', high fantasy / sword & sorcery, metasetting thing, built upon on the still-warm remains of Greyhawk.

Not the whole corpse just the organs. All the tastiest bits with none of supporting fluff.
Tieflings in, although Lizardfolk would be a much better choice.