Does Anyone Care? (Cosmere RPG)

[Parmandur]

Yeah, "Sanderson hated WoT" is a weird take I've never heard before. Dude's a plenty successful author on his own, he wouldn't have done the WoT work he did if he didn't want to.

I take that as a reference to the TV show, which he did gently express some frustrations with, but in a context of respecting the showrunners and their artistic vision.

He dis actively encourage people to watch the show with an open mind, and decried it being canceled juat s it was gaining steam.

Of course, I know this because I listen to his podcast, I ha e no doubt he was selectively quoted by toxic clickbait to use a cudgel against the show.

 

[bedir than]

Anyway, I'm rather excited for plotweaver as a 5e adjacent system with more emphasis on social

 

[Parmandur]

His rallying people against the TV series was rather significant. The bookcloaks used his videos as fuel for ridicule.
He wasn't a major part of it and objected to every change, including those that showed a diverse people in a diverse land

That's not entirely accurate, he actively encouraged people to watch h it with an open mind. He did voice some criticisms of decisions made, but always respectful to Rafe and his own artistic vision. If he was quoted as a weapon, it wqs definitely outnof context.

 

[Parmandur]

Anyway, I'm rather excited for plotweaver as a 5e adjacent system with more emphasis on social

Reeling it back on topic...Plotweaver would work better for the Wheel of Time than the old d20 Wherl of Time game did.

 

[Thomas Shey]

Come on.

When you get like this you're worthless to talk to and I'm not going to bother further.

 

[RenleyRenfield]

My suggestion: talk about your favorite game without putting other games down. There are a lot of people who like different games, and many are passionate about them. Just tell me why your fave is awesome and don't try and put down other games. For about three years now I've been following the "don't yuck anyone's yum," and I've had a lot of fun talking about games I like, and learning about games I might not have thought I'd like but found I did.

On one hand sure, its fine to just stick to what we like. But you seem to have missed the point of my point you quoted = personal attacks are a problem and pathetic. I assume and state nothing about others engagement with a game, and he should too.

And no, I disagree. There needs to be a way for people to talk about what they dislike. If every post was nothing but praise for what they liked, it makes it much harder for me to sift through what I may not like. Hearing people state issues with systems or dislike is fine, its ok to say you don't like pizza. I like pizza. I wont demand the world never speak ill of pizza.

People need to learn that when someone dislikes something, they don't need to take that personally. It about the game, not the person who has main character syndrome and demands everyone never speak ill of their precious.

Hell, I have RPGs i like, that even I know are bad games... its ok.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

including those that showed a diverse people in a diverse land

Did he? That's slightly surprising, because I always assumed, from the initial two books, that the main characters were pretty much exactly the colours they were on the show, and it's weird that he'd missed that.

But then I guess half the people who read Hunger Games somehow missed that Rue was Black...

Have you got any quotes re: him being mad about diversity? I'm disputing it, I'd just like to have them to hand in future, because Sanderson has an incredibly spotty history re: diversity (i.e. publicly celebrating it, but then actually do really doing anything that supports it).

It has gotten so bad online that the TV show fans are going after the book fans because they feel that the book fans got the show canceled. Of course, most of the book fans stopped watching and were not sorry to see it go. On Dragonmount, I had one TV fan tell people that folks had to watch to show even if they disliked it because that would be the only chance to see it on the screen. It is almost as bad as Star Wars these days.

I don't really believe much of this is actually what happened, if I'm honest. This sounds like a lot of handwringing and blame-slinging. It's always someone else's fault, the people you agree with are always the innocent victims even though you're saying stuff which sounds very un-innocent and so on lol.

The only bit I really buy is someone saying "If you don't watch it, you'll never see it on screen!"*, because someone always claims that about every show that's an adaption of a book or game, good or bad, high budget or low.

All the WoT book fans I know had not "stopped watching" but in fact the common opinion was "Oh thank god the show is finally coming together and feels way more like the books" with S3. Obviously fans vary - these were normal people I know IRL, not like, subreddit people.

And then they cancelled it lol. Like a prank.

* = I feel like this is true but also not quite in the way that person meant either. Like with Shadow and Bone, that 100% is the only time someone will try to do a live-action show of the Grishaverse. But just because people watched it, doesn't mean it won't get cancelled or w/e. S&B S2 did, as far as anyone can tell, extremely good numbers. It was in the Netflix top 10 in most countries immediately and stayed there for weeks, all the fans, even those who didn't like the changes were dutifully watching it, etc. Netflix cancelled it anyway for inscrutable Netflix reasons (probably the nameless executive who commissioned it had left Netflix, that'd be my guess). So even the "book fans" who didn't watch S3, had watched S3, I think it still would have got cancelled, because I think Amazon was refocusing its budget, especially re: fantasy. They can't cancel Rings of Power because otherwise Jeffy B. will come down to their offices and lecture them (it literally exists solely because he wills it), but it's burning money at an insane rate and isn't very popular (seemingly) so something had to go...

 

[Thomas Shey]

* = I feel like this is true but also not quite in the way that person meant either. Like with Shadow and Bone, that 100% is the only time someone will try to do a live-action show of the Grishaverse. But just because people watched it, doesn't mean it won't get cancelled or w/e. S&B S2 did, as far as anyone can tell, extremely good numbers. It was in the Netflix top 10 in most countries immediately and stayed there for weeks, all the fans, even those who didn't like the changes were dutifully watching it, etc. Netflix cancelled it anyway for inscrutable Netflix reasons (probably the nameless executive who commissioned it had left Netflix, that'd be my guess). So even the "book fans" who didn't watch S3, had watched S3, I think it still would have got cancelled, because I think Amazon was refocusing its budget, especially re: fantasy. They can't cancel Rings of Power because otherwise Jeffy B. will come down to their offices and lecture them (it literally exists solely because he wills it), but it's burning money at an insane rate and isn't very popular (seemingly) so something had to go...

One has to remember Netflix has a very specific metric about continuing a show (other streamers may sometimes do something similar, but Netiflix is very blunt about it); "Is this show bringing in new subscriptions?" I'm not sure exactly how they decide that, but at the point it isn't, they don't care how otherwise popular it is. That's why there's a discernible drop off in how many shows get more than two seasons with them, because two seasons tends to be the sweet spot with that.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

One has to remember Netflix has a very specific metric about continuing a show (other streamers may sometimes do something similar, but Netiflix is very blunt about it); "Is this show bringing in new subscriptions?" I'm not sure exactly how they decide that, but at the point it isn't, they don't care how otherwise popular it is. That's why there's a discernible drop off in how many shows get more than two seasons with them, because two seasons tends to be the sweet spot with that.

Yes that's true. I mean, I know executives coming and going has also factored into major decisions re: cancelling and commissioning and the like (as has nepotism of a very literal kind c.f. a certain conspiracy theorist getting multiple seasons of a show when his son got in charge of documentary commissioning), as well but yeah those new subscriptions seem to be key.

Honestly it's part of why I unsubbed from Netflix quite a long time ago and haven't missed them.