5E Does anyone who got an mm at Gencon want to offer up spoilers to us?

Thaumaturge

thaumaturging
Thanks, sounds like they are jumbo minotaurs. Shame they didn't get to keep the rock lobbing of Cloud giants ( Dragon Magazine #91 ).
Jumbo, fiendish, minotaurs. The text pretty much calls them such.

SBMG seeking SBFG, huge, 20.5'-21'. Must enjoy homes that are a series of twisty little passages, all alike; squishing adventurers; and sunset walks on the beach while carrying dignitaries.
;)

Thaumaturge.
 

Scorpio616

Villager
Last I checked Baphomet pretty much made them with the purpose of being giant minotaurs.
It is an explanation that works well enough, though could you tell me when they did first mention the link? Back in the 1E dragon article they just had the description of Bear body with humanish bison head and man hands and splayed man-feet, without much background beyond dumb demon war machine.

I can't complain about the move towards minotaur, there are some fantastic Minotaur action figure that will serve well as a goristro.
 

MonsterEnvy

Adventurer
It is an explanation that works well enough, though could you tell me when they did first mention the link? Back in the 1E dragon article they just had the description of Bear body with humanish bison head and man hands and splayed man-feet, without much background beyond dumb demon war machine.

I can't complain about the move towards minotaur, there are some fantastic Minotaur action figure that will serve well as a goristro.
The Lore on them since 3.5 (From what I know) has been Baphomet wanted big dumb brute demons so he made them.
 

Thaumaturge

thaumaturging
Here's my spoiler: it's kinda awesome :)
Agreed.

Has anybody with the M&M noticed much in the way of errors/typos?
I'm pretty good about spotting typos, but none have jumped out at me. I'm sure there will be a few spotted this weekend, though.

I heard Strahd is mentioned in the Vampire text. Is that just fluff or do they give some "stats" for him there?
He gets a few paragraphs in a sidebar that tell his background story and such, but there are no stats for him as a different, better, scarier vampire.

Thaumaturge.
 

Boarstorm

Villager
I'm disappointed about the Lord Soth/Strahd fluff thing. When I saw their names in the Index, I was excited.

I suppose Acererak is the same way?
 

Talath

Villager
I saw from the monster by rc list that the demilich is cr 18 while the lich is 20/21(?). Is there any change to the demilich? Didn't it used to be more powerful than a lich?
 

Thaumaturge

thaumaturging
I saw from the monster by rc list that the demilich is cr 18 while the lich is 20/21(?). Is there any change to the demilich? Didn't it used to be more powerful than a lich?
This is one of the first things I noticed about the MM, and it may be my favorite change.

I was always confused why demiliches were more powerful liches. Now they aren't. They are liches who stopped feeding souls to their phylacteries and have withered away into shadows of the shadows of their former selves.

It is a break with tradition, but it is a break I, personally, find to be for the better.

Thaumaturge.
 
So you could say a demilich gets a lot of head? ;)

Ahem, if I may interrupt the innuendo... I want to convert the yagnoloth, and I'm wondering what the common Yugoloth traits are in 5e?

EDIT: Oh, and is it true yugoloths are supposed to originate from Asmodeus and night hags now?

Thanks in advance mates!
 
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Grazzt

Demon Lord
So you could say a demilich gets a lot of head? ;)

Ahem, if I may interrupt the innuendo... I want to convert the yagnoloth, and I'm wondering what the common Yugoloth traits are in 5e?

EDIT: Oh, and is it true yugoloths are supposed to originate from Asmodeus and night hags now?

Thanks in advance mates!
MM says "it is widely believed" that basically Asmodeus commissioned a group of night hags in Gehenna to create them. He wanted an army of fiends not bound to the Nine Hells.

Common traits (I didn't see them listed ala 3.x so I did a quick comparison of the four in the MM):

Damage Resistances = cold, fire, lightning; bludgeoning, piercing, slashing from nonmagical weapons
Damage Immunities = acid, poison
Condition Immunities = poisoned

All four in the MM have telepathy (to either 60 ft or 120 ft). All speak at least Abyssal and Infernal.

Traits
Innate spellcasting, magic resistance (advantage on saves against spells and magical effects), magic weapons (creature's weapon attacks are treated as magical).

Actions = Each one can teleport up to 60 feet.
 
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Shemeska

Adventurer
So you could say a demilich gets a lot of head? ;)

Ahem, if I may interrupt the innuendo... I want to convert the yagnoloth, and I'm wondering what the common Yugoloth traits are in 5e?

EDIT: Oh, and is it true yugoloths are supposed to originate from Asmodeus and night hags now?

Thanks in advance mates!
Somebody really, really, really likes Asmodeus I think.

It rather radically rewrites 'loth origins, without any mention of their mythology from 2e and 3e. It doesn't completely preclude adding in the baernaloths and the Heart of Darkness mythology later on, but it would be awkward. I'm genuinely surprised that they didn't even give a hint of the 2e material when it would have been very easy to do so.
 

Mouseferatu

Villager
While [MENTION=11697]Shemeska[/MENTION] and I often disagree on the value of sticking with old-edition lore, in this case I think we're very much on the same page. I really don't see the upside in tying Asmodeus into the Yugoloths' creation. Honestly, I think Asmodeus already has an unfair amount of focus/influence, as compared to other arch-fiends. He doesn't need any more, and the Yugoloths don't need to have been "devil lite."

But then, I'm also irked that the ultraloth is markedly less powerful than the balor and pit fiend, and that we got mention of the General of Gehenna--who's described as an extra-powerful ultraloth, nothing more unique--and we didn't get Anthraxus. (Who, if we're going back to 1e, was--by XP value--actually more dangerous than Demogorgon or Asmodeus.

But I'm not bitter. ;)
 
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Steely Dan

Villager
While @Shemeska and I often disagree on the value of sticking with old-edition lore, in this case I think we're very much on the same page. I really don't see the upside in tying Asmodeus into the Yugoloths' creation. Honestly, I think Asmodeus already has an unfair amount of focus/influence, as compared to other arch-fiends. He doesn't need any more, and the Yugoloths don't need to have been "devil lite."

But then, I'm also irked that the ultraloth is markedly less powerful than the balor and pit fiend, and that we got mention of the General of Gehenna--who's described as an extra-powerful ultraloth, nothing more unique--and we didn't get Anthraxus. (Who, if we're going back to 1e, was--by XP value--actually more dangerous than Demogorgon or Asmodeus.

But I'm not bitter. ;)

Yes, I will definitely be ignoring 5th Ed lore in many places, this is one of them, I go by Planescape/Guide to Hell for Asmodeus, and for Yugoloths, I want Anthraxus' to get back the Staff of the Lower Planes and become the Oinoloth again.

Bummer to hear that the ultroloth is the wimp of the triumvirate again, as they are in 3rd Ed (…13 Str…), I have already converted all the yugoloths (all the alignment exemplar races, archons, guardinals, rilmani, etc) to 5th Ed, I am interested to compare when I get my mitts on the MM.
 

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