Does anyspell cast the spell as arcane or divine? [2005 thread]

[thorian]

The most important thing to be careful of when dealing with a Dweomerkeeper is, as Thanee mentioned, the class ability they gain to convert a spell into a supernatural (Su) ability. For example, by the RAW, a dweomerkeeper could cast permanency, limited wish, and wish without paying the XP! That is why people are suggesting you house rule the inclusion of XP, even though (Su) abilities don't require spell components. Other things to watch out for are spells with expensive components. These are not as easily abused, but you may want to keep your eye on which spells he converts to (Su).

 

[Hawken]

Thanks for the advice.

I just went over that particular ability for the DK. It is written very poorly. I do not believe that it was the writer's intention to omit XP cost and do not think any DM in his right mind would allow someone in that class to cast Wish and such spells without paying the XP. I could easily see omitting the requirement for verbal, material (including focuses) even somatic, as there are feats that allow those things to be removed from the casting process, but there is no metamagic feat for escaping the XP cost.

I would not allow escaping the XP cost, or avoiding the cost for expensive components.

It's a moot point though since he can't get the class the way he wants it. I've already given him a list of acceptable sources for PrCs, just so I don't have to go through this again.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I do not believe that it was the writer's intention to omit XP cost...

Intentional or not, that's what he ended up writing

It's one reason people complain so much about the class being broken

-Hyp.

 

[Hawken]

Intentional or not, that's what he ended up writing
It's one reason people complain so much about the class being broken

True enough. But there really is no reason at all for complaints--unless you are an unhappy or sneaky player. One thing players tend to forget is the one step in the PHB that comes even before rolling for ability scores..."Check with your Dungeon Master". If something is broken it is the DM's responsibility to fix it. Players can and should offer their opinions, but in the end its the DM that fixes things. And in the case of broken classes, like this one, it is up to the DM to see beyond the written word, read between the lines, delve into the spirit and intention of the product, and make the game the best he/she can.

 

[Aereas]

I've been quite busy the past couple weeks and unable to check this. However, I would like to clarify my reasons for changing my option of the class I'm looking into.

Hawken, was going to change the requirements of the class to requirings 2nd level arcane and divine spells. That would be a loss of 3 divine (I'm playing a cleric) caster levels. I don't value the class enouph to give up that many levels. 1 level would have been fine, and 2 is a possibility, but in my opinion 3 is just too much. I also didn't realize that the supernatural ability would negate the xp cost on spells, just the components.

I only bring this up nearly 2 weeks after the fact, because I don't want any misunderstandings about my intentions with the class. Yes I was trying to use anyspell to ignore the arcane caster level requirement, but no that is not why I decided to go with a different class. I would still play the dk if I could get into the class by taking only 1 level of an arcane class.

 

[Thanee]

I also didn't realize that the supernatural ability would negate the xp cost on spells, just the components.

XP costs are components, too, that's why.

Bye
Thanee

 

[irdeggman]

I only bring this up nearly 2 weeks after the fact, because I don't want any misunderstandings about my intentions with the class. Yes I was trying to use anyspell to ignore the arcane caster level requirement, but no that is not why I decided to go with a different class. I would still play the dk if I could get into the class by taking only 1 level of an arcane class.

Which, as I read the postings, would allow you to violate the core requirement for PrC. That is a character can not meet the prerequisite any earlier than 5th level and not take the first level of PrC until the charater's 6th level. This was a specific addition to the 3.5 rules that was not included in the 3.0 ones. As I read the posts you would then have 3 levels of divine and 1 of arcane (total of 4th level).

 

[Thanee]

Which, as I read the postings, would allow you to violate the core requirement for PrC. That is a character can not meet the prerequisite any earlier than 5th level and not take the first level of PrC until the charater's 6th level.

Not really, since Anyspell is not available before 5th level.

It would mainly remove the requirement to delay spell progression, which is the main cost factor there.

Bye
Thanee

 

[moritheil]

True enough. But there really is no reason at all for complaints--unless you are an unhappy or sneaky player. One thing players tend to forget is the one step in the PHB that comes even before rolling for ability scores..."Check with your Dungeon Master". If something is broken it is the DM's responsibility to fix it. Players can and should offer their opinions, but in the end its the DM that fixes things. And in the case of broken classes, like this one, it is up to the DM to see beyond the written word, read between the lines, delve into the spirit and intention of the product, and make the game the best he/she can.

Very well said. I'm going to bookmark this thread for when my players get big enough to take PrCs (although, if they've been paying attention at all, they should know not to throw trash at me when I DM.)

 

[Hypersmurf]

Which, as I read the postings, would allow you to violate the core requirement for PrC. That is a character can not meet the prerequisite any earlier than 5th level and not take the first level of PrC until the charater's 6th level. This was a specific addition to the 3.5 rules that was not included in the 3.0 ones.

Do you know where I'd find that? I'm away from the DMG right now, but it's not in the SRD.

-Hyp.