Doublestrike Feat with Sneak Attack

[TarionzCousin]

I am a player in a Pathfinder game, but the DM made me the rules adjudicator. One of the other players asked a question about sneak attack as a Two-Weapon Fighter (from the APG), the archetype he is using for his character. Since we're gestalt characters, he is also a Rogue and has full Sneak Attack.

Doublestrike (Ex)

At 9th level, a two-weapon warrior may, as a standard action, make one attack with both his primary and secondary weapons. The penalties for attacking with two weapons apply normally.

This ability replaces Weapon Training 2.

Player: "That is - make one attack roll and both weapons hit with the resulting damage applied?

if so - does this mean sneak attack damage would only applied once since both weapons strike at the same time?

This would be four attack rolls, but double strike doubles the damage (and bonuses) on one...."



Is this correct? What say you ENWorlders?

 

[Friend of the Dork]

I am a player in a Pathfinder game, but the DM made me the rules adjudicator. One of the other players asked a question about sneak attack as a Two-Weapon Fighter (from the APG), the archetype he is using for his character. Since we're gestalt characters, he is also a Rogue and has full Sneak Attack.


Player: "That is - make one attack roll and both weapons hit with the resulting damage applied?

if so - does this mean sneak attack damage would only applied once since both weapons strike at the same time?

This would be four attack rolls, but double strike doubles the damage (and bonuses) on one...."



Is this correct? What say you ENWorlders?

I think the easiest and possibly the sanest interpretation is that you get one attack with each weapon, in 2 separate attacks rolls, with penalties for TWF as normal. This means it basically allows you to do 2 attacks with a standard action. This is the opposite of the Manyshot feat, which explicitly states you roll once for both arrows, and that you only get sneak attack/critical hit for one.

Thus I would allow SA for both attacks. It's powerful, but then again it is a 9th level ability.

How do you figure it should be 4 attack rolls? That makes no sense. Since it is a standard action you can't combine it with a regular full-attack.

 

[Nebten]

Doublestrike sounds like the melee version of Manyshot.

I agree with your interuptation TarionzCousin. I don't see where you are getting 4 rolls though. Pretty much it is 1 roll to get double the dmg + sneak attack. You are putting everything into one roll, but it is nice since you still have a move action afterwards.

What are your concerns with it?

 

[Friend of the Dork]

Doublestrike sounds like the melee version of Manyshot.

I agree with your interuptation TarionzCousin. I don't see where you are getting 4 rolls though. Pretty much it is 1 roll to get double the dmg + sneak attack. You are putting everything into one roll, but it is nice since you still have a move action afterwards.

What are your concerns with it?

How do you figure? The wording is nothing like Manyshot, and Manyshot even states outright there is only a single attack roll, while this ability does not. I'm not saying 1 attack roll is unbalanced, but is that really what is meant?

 

[TarionzCousin]

I didn't tally four rolls; that is from the Player's email, telling me what he thinks....

Note that as a two-weapon fighter, he wields a sword in each hand.

 

[Nebten]

Frag, I mis-read that one and I can see where you are having your delima.

After a quick search on the Paizo boards, the general train of thought is the same as Mr. Dork's. Nothing offical though.

So 2 attacks rolls, each is open to sneak attack if the conditions are right.

 

[Friend of the Dork]

Frag, I mis-read that one and I can see where you are having your delima.

After a quick search on the Paizo boards, the general train of thought is the same as Mr. Dork's. Nothing offical though.

So 2 attacks rolls, each is open to sneak attack if the conditions are right.

My last name is not Dork, Friend.