Dragon #294 in today!

[Glyfair]

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Originally posted by Upper_Krust
Incidently Pholtus Hit Points should be 1093, so they seem to have buggered that up!?
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How do you figure that? If you take the average for all of his HD and then tack on his Con modifier you get 822.5 .

All the Greek deities listed in the preview in Game Trade magazine have maximum hit points (Hercules & Hermes). Admittedly, this could just be a function of the Greek pantheon. If it's not, I would consider it official since the preview consists of 4 actual pages from the Deities and Demigods.

Glyfair of Glamis

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi drowdude mate!

Close. His Reflex save is +63

I could stand being one point out.

How do you figure that? If you take the average for all of his HD and then tack on his Con modifier you get 822.5

Pholtus is the only deity revealed so far with average hit points, all others have maximum.

Nope. Fort +58, Reflex +60, Will +68.

Does Rao have the Great Fortitude; Iron Will and Lightning Reflexes feats!?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Glyfair mate!

Comparing the Deities and Demigods list to these I've noticed a few differences that seem to be merely about what assumptions they make.

You mean you have Dragon #294 while your good mate Krusty is sitting here in the dark about it all!?

How about the Salient Divine Abilities for Pholtus; Rao and Tharizdun eh!?

One difference is in the "Divine Powers" area. Where they list how their rolls are affected by their Divine Status (i.e. greater god, demi-god, etc) there is an additional line not the in Deities and Demigods list.

From Pholtus: "He also adds a divine bonus of +15 to all attacks, saves, and checks; this is included in the statistic block where it applies." In all such examples the plus happens to match their Divine Rank.

I think even before knowing that we could have guessed from the examples. But its always nice to have confirmation.

 

[drowdude]

Pholtus is the only deity revealed so far with average hit points, all others have maximum.

So he is. I hadnt noticed that all of them had max hp before.

Does Rao have the Great Fortitude; Iron Will and Lightning Reflexes feats!?

Yup

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi drowdude mate!

So he is. I hadnt noticed that all of them had max hp before.

Yup

Bingo!

As I see it the two most important/revealing entries in Deities & Demigods will be Boccob and Vecna. Up until now none of the deities have used Epic Levels (directly anyway), but you would have to imagine those two will*

*Unless they are overdosing on Prestige Classes or something!?

I know they have stated that you don't need the Epic Level Handbook to use Deities & Demigods but I can't see them properly detailing those two without going beyond 20 levels in one class (certainly not Boccob!)

 

[Vuron]

Well I imagine that Boccob will likely be a 20th Level Wizard/ 20th Level Cleric/ 10th Lvl Loremaster with the Several Spell Focuses or perhaps a salient ability that increases DC of spells.

Vecna will likely be 20th lvl Necromancer/ 20th lvl Cleric with buttloads of Necromancy advantages.

20th level cleric seems pretty much a default but it's hard to see Vecna being more powerful than Rao, Boccob I could see as having 50 levels but probably no more. Beory and/or Istus are liable to the only ones with more than 50 levels overall.

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Vuron mate!

Well I imagine that Boccob will likely be a 20th Level Wizard/ 20th Level Cleric/ 10th Lvl Loremaster with the Several Spell Focuses or perhaps a salient ability that increases DC of spells.

Boccob never had Cleric Levels in 1st Ed. (though obviously this isn't 1st Ed. anymore).

I would envision he will have at least 50-60 levels and 20 Outsider Hit Dice (70-80 total) - he is one of the five most powerful Greyhawk Gods after all; and they have just shown Pholtus with 69 total Levels/HD

Beory
Boccob
Istus
Nerull
Pelor

Vecna will likely be 20th lvl Necromancer/ 20th lvl Cleric with buttloads of Necromancy advantages.

Also Vecna, as mortal born, won't have the +20 Outsider HD.

I envision about 40-50 Levels for Vecna.

20th level cleric seems pretty much a default but it's hard to see Vecna being more powerful than Rao, Boccob I could see as having 50 levels but probably no more. Beory and/or Istus are liable to the only ones with more than 50 levels overall.

In 1st Ed. Nerull was probably the most powerful Greyhawk Deity (at least he was the only one with 400hp). Though I would say the five I listed above are all Divine Rank 19 or 20.

If you examine the current details...

- Iuz (Divine Rank 3) 20HD + 30 Levels
- Hercules (Divine Rank 5) 40 Levels
- Tharizdun (Divine Rank 11) 20HD + 40 Levels
- Pholtus (Divine Rank 15) 20 HD +49 Levels
- Hermes (Divine Rank 15) 20 HD +40 Levels
- Rao (Divine Rank 17) 20 HD +40 Levels

...we don't really get much corelation!

I would assume as an average:

Quasi/Hero-deity = Min. 30*
Demigod = Min. 40*
Lesser God = Min. 50*
Intermediate God = Min. 60*
Greater God = Min. 70*

*Including the +20 Outsider HD.

However, Rao apparently doesn't want to play along with that idea!

 

[Triple H]

Are yo saying Rao is being a munchkin, a powergamer or just a bad boy who needs to be smacked around my your truly

In all seriosness though check out those saves!!! Anyone care to specualte how to actually hurt these peeps? I mean take a look at Hercs immunities Epic level or not you really need to be a deity to take these folks out. To take out Herc you would need to not only win initiative but really hope to kick his @ss in one round cause he can teleport at will. Good luck tracing him. Not to mention if he feels like beating you down with his club. Boom baby. Remeber he is one of the weaker guys. Think of Thor! or Thrin or if you like Forgotten Realms. Tempus. Seriously a few levels of divine rank would be nice when taking on these guys

 

[Triple H]

Another thing. UK can you post the divine placing in the above list with Herc and Iuz. I think I see something but I am not sure. What i mean is demgod,intermdeiate etc.

 

[Vuron]

My only thought concerning Rao is that either he has a buttload of salient abilities to make up for his lack of levels, he has invested a huge amount of energy into several divine artifacts, or that he's on the way down the godscale ladder.

Are we certain mortal born gods aren't considered outsiders? I pretty much assumed that divine ascension to a realm on the outer planes made you an outsider. Under that type of a system online Prime Material powers wouldn't be outsiders.

Another problem might be that gods of different Mythos don't all use rules in common. Oerth might pose extra restrictions on planar powers etc. It seems very likely that the Faerun Mythos will use somewhat deviated rule sets if only to explain thier different cosmology and the existence of an overpower.