Dragon #351?

Nightfall · Dec 13, 2006

Drew,

Never read that series. Is it any good?

Cam Banks · Dec 13, 2006

Ripzerai said:
You mean 3e game designers got their alignments wrong. The Fiendish Codex series doesn't mention their alignments at all.

So neutral evil deities hang out in the Great Wheel's Abyss?

Cheers,
Cam

Nightfall · Dec 13, 2006

Maybe on their off days, Cam.

Ripzerai · Dec 13, 2006

Cam Banks said:
So neutral evil deities hang out in the Great Wheel's Abyss?

Not that I can think of, but there's at least one lawful evil god there (Chemosh). And there's a chaotic evil god in Baator (Gruumsh, and possibly Set depending on who you ask). And there's a lawful evil god in Arborea (Hecate), and a chaotic evil god in Arborea too (Ares). And a lawful good god in Ysgard (Tyr). And a chaotic neutral god in Hades (Ratri).

And so on, and so on, and so on. Gods live whatever they want. You can't make assumptions on what alignment they are by what plane they're in. I mean, you can, and you'll be right most of the time, but sometimes you'll be wrong, as you were on this particular occasion.

Nightfall · Dec 13, 2006

Rip,

Yeah but then we'd have a whole other issue to deal with.

Angel Tarragon · Dec 13, 2006

Just checked the mail. Got mine. Guess it helped that I sat on a six pack of postal workers. :uhoh:

Cam Banks · Dec 13, 2006

Ripzerai said:
I mean, you can, and you'll be right most of the time, but sometimes you'll be wrong, as you were on this particular occasion.

Except for the part where I'm not.

Cheers,
Cam

clarkvalentine · Dec 13, 2006

Ripzerai said:
... there's at least one lawful evil god there (Chemosh).

He's NE now, recall.

Ripzerai · Dec 13, 2006

Cam Banks was wrong about the Fiendish Codex I "getting Krynnish gods' alignments wrong," since it didn't list their alignments and you can't assume what their alignments are based on what plane they dwell in. There was no part of his statement that was correct.

I do think the idea behind the new Dragon article, with the time loop in Istar, is a pretty nifty one. I don't mean to be entirely negative, although the "xenophobia" (using the word tongue slightly in cheek) that inspired it is annoying to me.

I'm sure it's a great article.

In 2nd edition, Chemosh was LE and he lived in the Abyss. He could just as easily (or, really, more easily) be NE and live in the Abyss. Fiendish Codex I didn't rule on which was the case.

Cthulhudrew · Dec 13, 2006

Nightfall said:
Never read that series. Is it any good?

I don't like it quite as much as I enjoy Keyes' Blood and Thorn series, but I still enjoyed it quite a bit. If you're a fan of historic fiction (in this case, historic fantasy fiction), you'll probably like it. It does what Keyes does really well, which is blend realistic/real world elements with fantastic ones. Its been a while since I read it, but I enjoyed it for the most part. I seem to recall thinking that it could probably have been told in fewer than 5 books, and the last book in particular got a bit more metaphysical and confusing than I'd been prepared for (elements of shamanism and such when it deals with Native American characters), but still a pretty good time.

(By the way, I got the name of the series wrong; A Calculus of Angels is the first book; the series is the Age of Unreason).

I think it would make for a pretty good alternative D&D setting, in the vein of an Eberron-esque sort of thing set in the Real World, with its blend of magic and science/alchemy.