Dragonborn - will you ban them?

[Dannyalcatraz]

I think that honestly, a lot of the resentment players here are feeling for gnomes and half-orcs being non-PHB1 and dragonborn or tieflings being in PHB1 is that DMs who took a hard line of banning all non-PHB races in 3e had to have been widespread, considering the amount of players (including myself) who have complained about that being a frequent condition.

I know *I* don't, but it seems pretty unfortunately common.

You hit the nail right on the head! I'm a wide-open DM personally, but the majority of the DMs in my group don't go outside the PHB. Heck, several don't even allow non-PHB base classes, though typically gear, PrCls, Feats & spells are OK.

Honestly, though, I don't think it will affect the hardliners. The same DMs I know who excise non-PHB races also do things like ban classes they dislike- typically Paladins.

Oh, and the <bleeping> planetouched (aasimar, tieflings, gensai, etc.) are getting changed to some sort of damn template instead of them being distinct races, like they always should have been.

I'm doing that myself, using the term "Nephilim." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim)

 

[BradfordFerguson]

I do feel for the people who play half-orcs and gnomes and want their characters to remain as such if their campaign switches over to 4e. I guess I don't get as attached to my characters as some folks do. If someone told me I could switch my half-orc barbarian to a dragonborn fighter or dragonborn warlord, I would be like, "Heck yeah, sign me up!" Half-orcs are already outcasts so its not like the experience of playing a dragonborn would be much different except the occasional backwater town may freak out a bit when a dragonborn, tiefling, eladrin, and halfling show up to save the day. However, most denizens of a world that had dragonborn and tieflings play a major role in their history would be used to the idea of dragonborn and tieflings.

 

[Scarbonac]

I think that if I were convinced to go over to 4e, I'd re-season dragonborn as an advanced lizardman race, give them tails and do away with boobs on the females.

 

[Draxo]

Some people have mentioned that the females will have breasts, which makes no sense. I could not find the picture on the site though, could someone link it?

As much as I love the idea of this race, my sticking point is that they are supposedly only bronze/golden in coloration, which I don't like. I hope we'll get more color options. I want a red scaled one..!

Also.. I would much prefer them to have tails. To me, a dragon-man needs a tail. I hope they'll have a racial option to have a tail.. they look incomplete without one.

 

[DonTadow]

I rolled and hit the jackpot with 4e. My major villian in all three of my campaigns has been the same demon. My 4e world takes place a few centuries after my current campaign and it makes perfect sense that now there is a race of tieflings. I have two characters who always play character with dragon blood, no matter the race, and they are decended from a line of great dragons. Again, it works out in my favorite that they are around as well. I killed off gnomes from my campaign 2 years ago and i"ve always equated elves with the fey, even going as far as to use the morninglord flavor in my 3.5s.

 

[Vanifae]

I'm probably going to start a new campaign with 4th Ed, it's much less work than adapting an old campaign. So I'll keep them and probably add a host of other races from the MM as PC races as well.

Death to Medieval Fantasy!

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[DonTadow]

When i started dm'n 3.0 i thought I"d be an open DM, then i realized how rediclulous it was to come up with the pc driven campaigns that i liked with a githyanki, drow, celestial and blink dog running around. From a balance point of view going outside of pc races will eventually come back to haunt you without strict observation and if i got to play too much police i begin to hate dm'n.

 

[Corinth]

Yes, they're on the "Banned by Default" list because my D&D settings have no place for them at all, let alone as PCs.

 

[Mokona]

I don't know what the rules are for Dragonborn yet but I expect to merge Dragonborn with the Lizardfolk art from Dungeons & Dragons 3rd Edition: Monster Manual. I'll throw in a little bit of the 3rd edition Trogolodyte concept as well. Kobolds are just juvenile Lizardfolk.

 

[MaelStorm]

I will allow them as is presented.