Dragonlance Questions. Please help.

[adembroski3]

We know that isn't correct though. The sorcery is ambient energies left over from the creation of Krynn. Wizardry is the direct power of the deities of magic.



Raistlin could have used his magic after he left the Abyss, he chose not to because he knew he wouldn't be able to stop. Dalamar and Palin lost theirs after the Chaos War, when everyone lost theirs.

Wizardry is NOT directly from the moon gods. If that were true, there would never have been renegades, because the gods of magic simply wouldn't have granted the magic. I would say the moons act like a sort of magnifier, so that the Wizards of High Sorcery are casting their spells with slightly more power than their counterparts.

Dalamar and Palin were stripped of their magic near the end of the War of Souls trilogy, specifically by the gods of magic. Palin did not want it, Dalamar was given it back.

 

[DragonLancer]

Are old-time DL fans happy with the new cosmology?

Personally I prefer the standard wheel cosmology, and its what I use in my DL games.

What alignments did these two gods fill anyway? Paladine was Lawful Good, I think, but Takhisis confuses me. I thought she was Chaotic Evil until the Knights of Takhisis thing which makes her Lawful Evil. :\

Takhisis is LE. Before the new cosmology (see the DLCS), the inhabitants of Krynn referred to the lower planes collectively as the Abyss, and thats what you may be thinking of. Thats she is CE because her realm is the Abyss.

 

[adembroski3]

Are old-time DL fans happy with the new cosmology?

In 2E, DL was shoe-horned into the Great Wheel cosmology. Now, as much as I loved DL's representation in the Planescape concept, I still think it was a good idea to separate DL from the Great Wheel. The Great Wheel, and its close connection with other TSR worlds tended to sully the importance of DL.

I agree with you entirely here. I love the new cosmology. While not as veried as the wheel, it makes more sense to me for the setting.

Did Bahamut/Tiamut copy Paladine/Takhisis or vice versa?

Bahamut and Tiamut existed first, I believe. The original dragonlance modules were intended to be a series with each installment dealing with a different type of Dragon. This included those two, but with stronger roles and different names.

In the new War of the Souls campaign, has anyone replaced the dead god Takhisis and the dethroned god, Paladine?

No, there are only 19 gods now.

Hasn't their parting upset the *balance* which is such a crucial aspect of Krynn?

Nope, because the only pantheon with more members is Neutral, which isn't aligned in either direction. It's just more middle-heavy.

What alignments did these two gods fill anyway? Paladine was Lawful Good, I think, but Takhisis confuses me. I thought she was Chaotic Evil until the Knights of Takhisis thing which makes her Lawful Evil. :\

She was lawful evil. She's always worked to bring everyone under her dominion, she wished to lord of Ansalon as sole sovereign, instead of sharing it with 20 other gods. The use of the Dragonarmy was lawful as well.

Don't equate "Lawful" with having a code of behavior. Takhisis would have imposed a very strict order had she taken over the world in any age.

 

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I agree with you entirely here. I love the new cosmology. While not as veried as the wheel, it makes more sense to me for the setting.


Bahamut and Tiamut existed first, I believe. The original dragonlance modules were intended to be a series with each installment dealing with a different type of Dragon. This included those two, but with stronger roles and different names.



No, there are only 19 gods now.



Nope, because the only pantheon with more members is Neutral, which isn't aligned in either direction. It's just more middle-heavy.



She was lawful evil. She's always worked to bring everyone under her dominion, she wished to lord of Ansalon as sole sovereign, instead of sharing it with 20 other gods. The use of the Dragonarmy was lawful as well.

Don't equate "Lawful" with having a code of behavior. Takhisis would have imposed a very strict order had she taken over the world in any age.

Thanks for the info!

Administrators. Could you please add a DL icon to flag this post (and any other DL posts in the future). There's ones for Greyhawk, FR, Eberron, etc. but doesn't seem to be one for DL.

Thankyou.

 

[Alzrius]

Wizardry is NOT directly from the moon gods. If that were true, there would never have been renegades, because the gods of magic simply wouldn't have granted the magic.

Except we know that they did. There have been plenty of renegade wizards who still used magic. It's fallacious to say that they therefore must have been using some other power source. All wizardly magic comes from the three magic deities, even that magic used by renegade wizards.

As an aside, Cam, can you point out which book says that the Thorn Knights in the 4th Age were receiving their arcane magic directly from Takhisis?

I would say the moons act like a sort of magnifier, so that the Wizards of High Sorcery are casting their spells with slightly more power than their counterparts.

This interpretation, however, places wizardry in the same boat as sorcery, in that it'd be ambient energies. Given that, there'd be no reason why wizards lost power when Krynn was stolen.

Dalamar and Palin were stripped of their magic near the end of the War of Souls trilogy, specifically by the gods of magic. Palin did not want it, Dalamar was given it back.

That's not at all what happened. Palin and Dalamar were using magic (sorcery, not wizardry) just fine during the entire War of Souls, until they tried to use it against Mina, and then Takhisis suppressed it.

After that, when the War was over, the gods of magic simply offered to return to them the wizardly powers that they had lost. Palin declined while Dalamar accepted.

 

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OK, I think I'm confused again.

Tell me if I've got this right:

1) There are 2 types of arcane magic on Krynn.

- One type of arcane magic emanates from the moons and those of the Wizard class access this one. It doesn't matter if the Wizard is a renegade or a Wizard of High Sorcery, he can still access this magic emanating from the moons -- it's just that the latter are indoctrinated into *other secrets* (what exactly are these?) when they devote themselves to one of the gods/moons of magic.

- The second type of arcane magic on Krynn is the "ambient energy left from the world's creation". Those of the Sorcerer class access this type of arcane magic.

2) There are 2 types of divine magic on Krynn.

- One type comes from the gods directly so, if the gods are gone or not answering, this type cannot be accessed. Clerics use this type of divine magic.

- The second type of divine magic comes from *inside*. This type is accessed by mystics and will still operate with or without the presence of gods. (Does this type of divine magic have anything to do with the energy dispersed by Chaos? I think someone mentioned that.)

My question: During the Age of Mortals, could Thorn Knights cast arcane spells? If so, did this make them sorcerers?

 

[Cam Banks]

As an aside, Cam, can you point out which book says that the Thorn Knights in the 4th Age were receiving their arcane magic directly from Takhisis?

Dragonlance Campaign Setting, p66.

Cheers,
Cam

 

[adembroski3]

This interpretation, however, places wizardry in the same boat as sorcery, in that it'd be ambient energies. Given that, there'd be no reason why wizards lost power when Krynn was stolen.

High Sorcery and Primal Sorcery tap the SAME SOURCE of magical energy. They differ in their technique.

From DLCS River of Time

4350 PC- Greygem Released: A gnome is tricked by Hiddukel into stealing the Greygem from Lunitari. When the gnome loses his grip on the gem, it falls onto Krynn, bringing wild magic to the world.

2692-2645 PC- Second Dragon War: ... Three mages order the ground to swallow the dragons. Though the beasts fall, thousands die as a result of magic running wild and causing catastrophes across the continent. In desperation, the three mages call upon the deities of magic, who had been waiting for such an occurrence. Knowing that the magic would conitinue to run wild unless people are taught how to properly wield it, the gods of magic sweep the three mages and their tower into the Beyond, where the deities teach the mages the ways of High Sorcery.

This quite clearly implies that the two magics are actually the same substance, just used in different ways.

Because Primal Sorcery is difficult to use and dangerous, the gods of Magic essencially created the method of High Sorcery for people to use. High Sorcery does not function without the gods, but the magic is still there.

 

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High Sorcery and Primal Sorcery tap the SAME SOURCE of magical energy. They differ in their technique.

So in 3E DL, is there a Wild Mage class?

Also, how does 3E DL explain the Sorcerer class as opposed to the Wizard?

Thanks.

 

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Bahamut and Tiamut existed first, I believe. The original dragonlance modules were intended to be a series with each installment dealing with a different type of Dragon. This included those two, but with stronger roles and different names.

When did Tiamat have a sex change? I *think* in the 1E MM Tiamat is, infact, a "he". Ever since 2E, Tiamat has been a she. I'm guessing there was some cross-polination from the DL setting. But I'm not sure, I'll have to check my 1E MM.

Nope, because the only pantheon with more members is Neutral, which isn't aligned in either direction. It's just more middle-heavy.

But if Paladine was Lawful Good and Takhisis was Lawful Evil, doesn't this mean that there is now less Lawfullness in the Krynn cosmos?