Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
It is what it is. Why does every setting have to conform to 21st century views of morality?"Power is more important than being a good person" is a really bad way to frame the morals of the world.
It is what it is. Why does every setting have to conform to 21st century views of morality?"Power is more important than being a good person" is a really bad way to frame the morals of the world.
Because we're humans with human morality and the morality of the world reflects back on the authors. Saying that the people that condone murder and the gods that condone genocide are objectively good in the context of the setting and that evil people are necessary is objectively bad morals. The 21st century didn't invent the idea that murder and genocide are bad. Those ideas were bad when they were written, always have been bad, and will continue to be bad forever.It is what it is. Why does every setting have to conform to 21st century views of morality?
Then everything just ends up being the same setting but with a gimmick. That’s boring. I’d like to play in different worlds where things are different. Not just Faerun again but with a dragon war. Sounds like a lack of imagination IMO.Because we're humans with human morality and the morality of the world reflects back on the authors. Saying that the people that condone murder and the gods that condone genocide are objectively good in the context of the setting and that evil people are necessary is objectively bad morals. The 21st century didn't invent the idea that murder and genocide are bad. Those ideas were bad when they were written, always have been bad, and will continue to be bad forever.
Dragonlance doesn't endorse either of those ideas so I'm not sure what you're on about.Because we're humans with human morality and the morality of the world reflects back on the authors. Saying that the people that condone murder and the gods that condone genocide are objectively good in the context of the setting and that evil people are necessary is objectively bad morals. The 21st century didn't invent the idea that murder and genocide are bad. Those ideas were bad when they were written, always have been bad, and will continue to be bad forever.
Uh, no. WTF are you talking about? That is absolutely not how setting design works. It's very, very easy for two people with similar/identical moral beliefs to design completely different settings.Then everything just ends up being the same setting but with a gimmick. That’s boring. I’d like to play in different worlds where things are different. Not just Faerun again but with a dragon war.
Man, that line of thinking Planescape and Dark Sun would be unrecognizable aside from “in planar city” and “in a desert”. Hey it’s Faerun but in a desert. Neato.
The setting endorses the idea that there needs to be a balance between evil and good. That's like the core point to the Cataclysm (that "too much good" is somehow a thing) and different alignments have to tolerate each other through the 3 colors of Mage Robes.Dragonlance doesn't endorse either of those ideas so I'm not sure what you're on about.
Again, if you don't like Dragonlance, why do you want WotC to make it different? What's so special about the setting that you do like that makes it worth it, to you, for it to return? Seriously, you can have lots of dragons in any setting.Uh, no. WTF are you talking about? That is absolutely not how setting design works. It's very, very easy for two people with similar/identical moral beliefs to design completely different settings.
The setting endorses the idea that there needs to be a balance between evil and good. That's like the core point to the Cataclysm (that "too much good" is somehow a thing) and different alignments have to tolerate each other through the 3 colors of Mage Robes.
There's other ways to vary a setting besides 'but we justify monstrous things as good'.Then everything just ends up being the same setting but with a gimmick. That’s boring. I’d like to play in different worlds where things are different. Not just Faerun again but with a dragon war. Sounds like a lack of imagination IMO.
Man, that line of thinking Planescape and Dark Sun would be unrecognizable aside from “in planar city” and “in a desert”. Hey it’s Faerun but in a desert. Neato.
Because that's the audience its written for, and if you want it to resound with the audience and get good reviews, you'll write based on that audience.It is what it is. Why does every setting have to conform to 21st century views of morality?
There's parts of it with promise, hence why its stuck around. Dragonlance's power was never "There's three wizard groups (who went onto inspire White, Black and Red mages in Final Fantasy, their true influence on the genre)". Its been about it trying that fantasy epic in the D&D frameworkAgain, if you don't like Dragonlance, why do you want WotC to make it different? What's so special about the setting that you do like that makes it worth it, to you, for it to return? Seriously, you can have lots of dragons in any setting.
What a bizarre question. One answer leaps to mind. "So they can make it into something I do like."Again, if you don't like Dragonlance, why do you want WotC to make it different?