Dragonlance Dragonlance "Reimagined".

[Micah Sweet]

"Power is more important than being a good person" is a really bad way to frame the morals of the world.

It is what it is. Why does every setting have to conform to 21st century views of morality?

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

It is what it is. Why does every setting have to conform to 21st century views of morality?

Because we're humans with human morality and the morality of the world reflects back on the authors. Saying that the people that condone murder and the gods that condone genocide are objectively good in the context of the setting and that evil people are necessary is objectively bad morals. The 21st century didn't invent the idea that murder and genocide are bad. Those ideas were bad when they were written, always have been bad, and will continue to be bad forever.

 

[DarkCrisis]

Because we're humans with human morality and the morality of the world reflects back on the authors. Saying that the people that condone murder and the gods that condone genocide are objectively good in the context of the setting and that evil people are necessary is objectively bad morals. The 21st century didn't invent the idea that murder and genocide are bad. Those ideas were bad when they were written, always have been bad, and will continue to be bad forever.

Then everything just ends up being the same setting but with a gimmick. That’s boring. I’d like to play in different worlds where things are different. Not just Faerun again but with a dragon war. Sounds like a lack of imagination IMO.

Man, that line of thinking Planescape and Dark Sun would be unrecognizable aside from “in planar city” and “in a desert”. Hey it’s Faerun but in a desert. Neato.

 

[QuentinGeorge]

Because we're humans with human morality and the morality of the world reflects back on the authors. Saying that the people that condone murder and the gods that condone genocide are objectively good in the context of the setting and that evil people are necessary is objectively bad morals. The 21st century didn't invent the idea that murder and genocide are bad. Those ideas were bad when they were written, always have been bad, and will continue to be bad forever.

Dragonlance doesn't endorse either of those ideas so I'm not sure what you're on about.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

Then everything just ends up being the same setting but with a gimmick. That’s boring. I’d like to play in different worlds where things are different. Not just Faerun again but with a dragon war.

Man, that line of thinking Planescape and Dark Sun would be unrecognizable aside from “in planar city” and “in a desert”. Hey it’s Faerun but in a desert. Neato.

Uh, no. WTF are you talking about? That is absolutely not how setting design works. It's very, very easy for two people with similar/identical moral beliefs to design completely different settings.

Dragonlance doesn't endorse either of those ideas so I'm not sure what you're on about.

The setting endorses the idea that there needs to be a balance between evil and good. That's like the core point to the Cataclysm (that "too much good" is somehow a thing) and different alignments have to tolerate each other through the 3 colors of Mage Robes.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Uh, no. WTF are you talking about? That is absolutely not how setting design works. It's very, very easy for two people with similar/identical moral beliefs to design completely different settings.

The setting endorses the idea that there needs to be a balance between evil and good. That's like the core point to the Cataclysm (that "too much good" is somehow a thing) and different alignments have to tolerate each other through the 3 colors of Mage Robes.

Again, if you don't like Dragonlance, why do you want WotC to make it different? What's so special about the setting that you do like that makes it worth it, to you, for it to return? Seriously, you can have lots of dragons in any setting.

 

[cbwjm]

Different alignments having to tolerate each other is actually a core argument for so many players who want to play an evil character in an otherwise good group without consequences. So if players want it, why can't a setting have that as an assumption? Besides, it's only on the tower grounds that the different orders have to be civil with each other, outside the tower, if a black robed mage is causing trouble, a white robed mage is likely to step in and stop them.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Then everything just ends up being the same setting but with a gimmick. That’s boring. I’d like to play in different worlds where things are different. Not just Faerun again but with a dragon war. Sounds like a lack of imagination IMO.

Man, that line of thinking Planescape and Dark Sun would be unrecognizable aside from “in planar city” and “in a desert”. Hey it’s Faerun but in a desert. Neato.

There's other ways to vary a setting besides 'but we justify monstrous things as good'.

I'm sure Dark Sun can be its own thing without -- and I'm assuming here based on complaints and worries I've heard elsewhere -- without succumbing to D&D's weird slavery fetish. It's got defiling magic and muls and bug dudes, and gladiators and not just a desert, but a super killy desert that's going to bring with it all manner of unpleasant survival rules. Also cannibal halflings.

Planescape... we all know the Planescape book is just going to be the 5e Manual of the Planes with an adventure in and rules for playing the goat centaurs I always want to spell briaur, but that is not right, modrons, and probably the custodian goat men for some reason.

 

[Mecheon]

It is what it is. Why does every setting have to conform to 21st century views of morality?

Because that's the audience its written for, and if you want it to resound with the audience and get good reviews, you'll write based on that audience.

Dragonlance released as is, with no changes from its previous lore, will be torn apart.

Again, if you don't like Dragonlance, why do you want WotC to make it different? What's so special about the setting that you do like that makes it worth it, to you, for it to return? Seriously, you can have lots of dragons in any setting.

There's parts of it with promise, hence why its stuck around. Dragonlance's power was never "There's three wizard groups (who went onto inspire White, Black and Red mages in Final Fantasy, their true influence on the genre)". Its been about it trying that fantasy epic in the D&D framework

You need to grab the core of what Dragonlance is and expand from there. Folks who want Planescape want to visit other dimensions and have Planescape: Torment esque adventures, they don't want "Here's the plane of Everything is Awful. Nothing lives here except Death. Roll to save against Dying Instantly for trying to have an adventure in a cool backdrop" despite that being how certain planes were presented back in the day

As for why? Because I like nice books being released and not bad ones

 

[Fifth Element]

Again, if you don't like Dragonlance, why do you want WotC to make it different?

What a bizarre question. One answer leaps to mind. "So they can make it into something I do like."