Dragonstar?

[Ghostwind]

Fine. Then I challenge any publisher that can do a Dragonstar-inspired RPG line, even one with d20 Modern/Urban Arcana/d20 Future material.

I will support a product that is just like Dragonstar but without the label.

Oh sure, tempt me why don't you?

Seriously, I've been playing around in the back of mind of doing something using the d20Modern rules and giving it a Dragonstar-esque fantasy feel.

*Sigh* So many projects, too little time to do them all...

 

[Storyteller01]

Thanks The version 2 rules should be ready some time this year..free time allowing.

Love to see it! I have a campaign goal, epic level ship based off those rules!

 

[Storyteller01]

Fine. Then I challenge any publisher that can do a Dragonstar-inspired RPG line, even one with d20 Modern/Urban Arcana/d20 Future material.

I will support a product that is just like Dragonstar but without the label.

The inspiration wasn't really the problem. I can think of two reasons though...

1) It isn't D&D. A silly arguement, but I'm hearing the same about the new D&D Online game. It's Eberron, and it isn't following 3.5 exact. Apparently, this is enough to discourage a lot of people.

2) It isn't 3.5. I don't know if this is because FFG couldn't afford the refit, or if sales before the change weren't high enough to make it worth while. Either way, if it isn't 3.5 compatible, it isn't as likely to be bought.


I'm NOT bashing 3.5, just mentioning an observed pattern. No flaming please.

 

[Ranger REG]

Perhaps FFG will one day resurrect DS. I was hoping to write a heck of a lot more for it, but alas.

Hah! I'm still waiting for them to resurrect Blue Planet (hopefully in d20 but that ship have sailed).

:\

 

[Neo]

I think you can figure out why FFG put that "Essential" pack on sale at a big discount just before they cancelled the line -- they were sitting on a bunch of unsold stock of books that were a year or two old, from an edition that the SRD no longer supported.

I wonder how much of the discounted essential release had to do with book unsold because noone was interested in Ds anymore as opposed to just didnt want to buy books for 3.0 as opposed to 3.5 anymore... I suspect that if anything may have been the largest contributing factor to the discontinuation of DS

Despite what you sense as "seemingly more interest", I think it's likely that the books beyond the Starfarer's Handbook didn't sell as well as FFG had wanted. You say that your group continued to / continues to have new people interested in DS...but it's entirely possible that those new players were being counterweighted (or more than counterweighted) by players who bought the first book or two, and lost interest.

Actually, pretty much every book released from the first (starfarers handbook) to the last (smugglers run) generated conversation, now conversation is mostly peoples house rules, creations, conversions and ongoing games.. there is nothing "seeming" about the continuing increase of interest in DS, join the list and see for yourself.. I dont need to PR thier enthusiasm thier conversations speak for themselves.

 

[Neo]

Oh sure, tempt me why don't you?

Seriously, I've been playing around in the back of mind of doing something using the d20Modern rules and giving it a Dragonstar-esque fantasy feel.

*Sigh* So many projects, too little time to do them all...

heya Steve

long time no speak, how you doing?

..you know you want to develop Bastionstar...go on

 

[kenobi65]

there is nothing "seeming" about the continuing increase of interest in DS, join the list and see for yourself.. I dont need to PR thier enthusiasm thier conversations speak for themselves.

Sigh...I'm not debating the enthusiasm of the people on your Yahoo group, Neo.

All I'm suggesting is that for all those new people (even before last July, when FFG pulled the plug) who are on your list, and posting and enthusiastic, there may well be at least as many who either (a) are still on your list, but have ceased to be engaged in the game, (b) have dropped off your list, because they lost interest, or (c) never were on your list in the first place, and lost interest in DS.

I think it's pretty clear that DS wasn't selling well enough to warrant its continuation by FFG. You disagree. Let's leave it at that.

 

[KaosDevice]

Fine. Then I challenge any publisher that can do a Dragonstar-inspired RPG line, even one with d20 Modern/Urban Arcana/d20 Future material.

I will support a product that is just like Dragonstar but without the label.

I'm down for it.

 

[Neo]

Sigh...I'm not debating the enthusiasm of the people on your Yahoo group, Neo.

All I'm suggesting is that for all those new people (even before last July, when FFG pulled the plug) who are on your list, and posting and enthusiastic, there may well be at least as many who either (a) are still on your list, but have ceased to be engaged in the game, (b) have dropped off your list, because they lost interest, or (c) never were on your list in the first place, and lost interest in DS.

Im sure some of the people on there may well fall into those categories, but I tend to reap the bouncing members every so often to take care of inactive memberships, non operational e-mail addresses and the like, so of those who are on there whether they are paying attention or not who fall into those categories they are still getting the mails... I cant see the vast part of almost a thousand people getting e-mails they arent really bothered about anymore day in day out wihtou just unsubscribing were your "theories" correct.. can you?

I think it's pretty clear that DS wasn't selling well enough to warrant its continuation by FFG. You disagree. Let's leave it at that.

The fact that you keep repeating this... again just re-emphasises the fact you missed my original point...as Ive tried to explain to you. Lack of sales may well be the case I dont dispute that, all I said Is that that reason just didnt ring true to me because when the plug was pulled interest was "seemingly" at an all time high, which I further backed up by pointing out the DSD20 list which the FFG guys were on at one point and was pretty much "THE" yahoo as far as Dragonstar went continued to be active and growing as a community, which continued to support the notion that inerest in the setting was "still" there even now all these months down the line.. This altogether would not "seemingly" support the statement that sales were down. Again that may well have just been deceptive appearance wise to fans like myself as opposed to the actual figures the FFG guys had on paper, which revealed the actual situation (i.e lots of people talking about it, interested in it but not actually buying it perhaps) I never disputed that. I simply pointed out that didnt seem like it was a likely reason.
Other factors like 3.5 release HAVE to also be taken into consideration as far as the demise of the setting go to, as people tend to stick to one ruels version or the other so staying with DS would have meant either a revised edition or continue putting out books for an old edition.

I raised the point, you responded it and I replied to explain my reasoning on the subject... this isnt an argument so no need to post responses like it is.

 

[Neo]

I'm down for it.

I would prefer the real deal..but as that is seemingly unlikely I'd be more than happy with an alternate Sci-Fantasy setting too.