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Also, why did they stop baking cookies?I think they went wrong with elves when they stopped being those whimsical fairies with a sense of irony that lived in tree houses. Imho only.
Also, why did they stop baking cookies?I think they went wrong with elves when they stopped being those whimsical fairies with a sense of irony that lived in tree houses. Imho only.
I wouldn't necessarily read our history of racism into Sun Elf racism. They may be haughty and prefer separation, but do they oppress everyone (anyone?) else? Do they have racist social structures in areas where they aren't or cannot remain separate? Even in the real world, there are very different sorts of racism ranging from withdrawing into enclaves to enslaving those who are different and these are very different in moral perspectives.The "racist" part is the sentence quoted earlier from the 3e FR Campaign Setting:
"Sun Elves ... are seen as the most civilized and haughty elves, preferring to remain separate from humankind and other nonelven races."
The Sun Elves are literally racist separatists, and racist supremacists, elevating the "Elf race" and being "haughty" against every other race.
The being "Good" is a fair question. But there is a sense that all Elves are Chaotic Good, except for Drow who are Chaotic Evil.
I wouldnt necessarily not.I wouldn't necessarily read our history of racism into Sun Elf racism.
Being isolationist does not make one racist.The "racist" part is the sentence quoted earlier from the 3e FR Campaign Setting:
"Sun Elves ... are seen as the most civilized and haughty elves, preferring to remain separate from humankind and other nonelven races."
The Sun Elves are literally racist separatists, and racist supremacists, elevating the "Elf race" and being "haughty" against every other race.
The being "Good" is a fair question. Generally, according to the 3e Players Handbook, all Elves are Chaotic Good, except for Drow who are Chaotic Evil.
3e PH: "Elves. Alignment. ... Elves love freedom, ... and are more often Good than not."
In FR too, "Sun Elves have all the elven racial traits listed on page 16 of the Players Handbook, except as follows. +2 Intelligence," etcetera.
Thus Sun Elves associate with the same Elf that loves freedom and is assumed to be Good.
Wow! Even the 3e Players Handbook says all Elves are "haughty". "Elves. Relations. Elves ... look on Half-Elves with some degree of pity. ... While haughty, ... they are generally pleasant."
So, according to 3e Greyhawk core and 3e Forgotten Realms, the Elf is officially a polite racist supremacist ... and is Good.
Unbelievable!
No wonder the Elf got so messed up.
Don't forget that the 3E descriptions also attribute (typical) skin colors for each race. For elves: "They tend to be pale-skinned and dark-haired, with deep green eyes."Wow! Even the 3e Players Handbook says all Elves are "haughty". "Elves. Relations. Elves ... look on Half-Elves with some degree of pity. ... While haughty, ... they are generally pleasant."
Ah yes, the first D&D book that I just flat-out banned everything from after allowing one item in. Learnt that lesson!The 2E Complete Book of Elves definitely radiates the "if you're not playing an elf, what are you even doing playing D&D" vibe. It's a widely despised book, but it was also wildly popular during that era.
Being "haughty" and feeling "pity" for inferior races, does make one racist.Being isolationist does not make one racist.