D&D General Drow in early D&D

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

The plot Point behind them is less hiding out from the apocalypse and more along the lines of living in fear based on lies. The surface world doesn't hate despite what their leadership says. Hell most of the surface world doesn't even know they exist. They stay underground because their King won't accept any compromise that doesn't give him exactly what he wants. The shadow elves can return to the surface at any time but their leadership needs them to stay afraid to maintain power

I know the storyline, and it's interesting-ish, but they don't really offer much to games, IMO, especially if you're familiar with the 1960s/1970s apocalyptic sci-fi riffs it's spinning out of. A toxic leader lying to his followers about what the surface is like is pretty standard stuff for that era of sci-fi. You can see a modern spin on it in the superb 10 Cloverfield Lane.

 

[Sithlord]

I really think the problem is that instead of focusing on how this group of drow is really good and nice people they should be focusing on drow as villains that strike terror in players and villages. Next we are going to be focusing on that mindflayers are really misunderstood and don’t really want to eat your brains and if we are really nice to them they would really want to be our friend. And beholders are great allies with really good observations. And devils and demons aren’t really evil they just have a different religion and we should be more tolerant of their faith. And vampire just have strict dietary needs.

 

[Mind of tempest]

I really think the problem is that instead of focusing on how this group of drow is really good and nice people they should be focusing on drow as villains that strike terror in players and villages. Next we are going to be focusing on that mindflayers are really misunderstood and don’t really want to eat your brains and if we are really nice to them they would really want to be our friend. And beholders are great allies with really good observations. And devils and demons aren’t really evil they just have a different religion and we should be more tolerant of their faith.

that is a slippery slope flacy.
the reason people see drow a people is because fundamentally drow are elves and we all agree (aside from the dwarves) that the elves are people.

 

[Dioltach]

Next we are going to be focusing on that mindflayers are really misunderstood and don’t really want to eat your brains and if we are really nice to them they would really want to be our friend.

"Humans are friends, not food!"

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I really think the problem is that instead of focusing on how this group of drow is really good and nice people they should be focusing on drow as villains that strike terror in players and villages. Next we are going to be focusing on that mindflayers are really misunderstood and don’t really want to eat your brains and if we are really nice to them they would really want to be our friend. And beholders are great allies with really good observations. And devils and demons aren’t really evil they just have a different religion and we should be more tolerant of their faith. And vampire just have strict dietary needs.

Only one of those are humanoids who have been historically depicted as being black skinned, which is sometimes described as a curse for their genetic-level wickedness.

That is, incidentally, identical to arguments made about Black people in the 1800s.

So it's a different case for the drow.

 

[Alzrius]

that is a slippery slope flacy.

A gentle reminder that the slippery slope argument is not inherently fallacious.

 

[Sithlord]

Only one of those are humanoids who have been historically depicted as being black skinned, which is sometimes described as a curse for their genetic-level wickedness.

That is, incidentally, identical to arguments made about Black people in the 1800s.

So it's a different case for the drow.

Of course it is. Real world race has to be made an issue in everything. And incidentally it doesn’t matter if they aren’t humanoids. That makes sense. Oh god not another racism discussion is about to start better leave this thread and logoff for a few days since that was not at all
What I was intending to discuss

 

[Mind of tempest]

A gentle reminder that the slippery slope argument is not inherently fallacious.

that is true, just I have yet to see much push for mindflayer or beholder rights nor evidence to suggest people really want to be one.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Real world race has to be made an issue in everything.

If you are a person of color, the world won't let it not be. Good for you that it doesn't affect you personally, but it's an issue of real consequence.

 

[Sithlord]

If you are a person of color, the world won't let it not be. Good for you that it doesn't affect you personally, but it's an issue of real consequence.

How do you know my skin color? I guess we all have to walk the party line