D&D 5E (2024) Dual wielder feat got worse?

[Horwath]

the feat should add, that you can make 2nd offhand attack if you have Extra attack feature.

 

[Corinnguard]

the feat should add, that you can make 2nd offhand attack if you have Extra attack feature.

In A5e, the rules for the Two-Weapon Fighting style do allow you to do this when you use your bonus action.

Two-Weapon Fighting
When you take the Attack action and attack with a weapon that does not have the heavy property that you are wielding in one hand, you can use your bonus action to attack with a different dual-wielding melee weapon that you are holding in your off-hand. You do not add your ability modifier to the damage roll of the bonus attack, unless that modifier is negative. If a weapon has the thrown property, you can make a ranged weapon attack with it instead.
If you have the Extra Attack feature, you can use your bonus action to make two attacks with the weapon in your off-hand.

The A5e version of the Dual Wielder feat:

Dual-Wielding Expert
You’re a master at wielding two weapons at once, gaining the following benefits:
• You gain a +1 bonus to Armor Class while you are wielding a separate melee weapon in each hand.
• You can use two-weapon fighting with any two one-handed melee weapons so long as neither has the heavy property.
• When you would normally draw or sheathe a one-handed weapon, you can instead draw or sheathe two one-handed weapons.

With the offhand attack now a part of the Attack action, how does the Extra Attack feature in One D&D work with the Two-Weapon Fighting style? Do you go from making two attacks (from levels 1-4) to making four attacks when you get that feature? curious

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

Bha, since the Hunter's Horde breaker is removed from the class, give that feature to the Feat:

• Can wield any one handed-weapon in you main hand if the weapon in your off hand has the ''light property.
• When you take the Attack action with two weapons, once on each of your turns, you can make another attack with the off-hand weapon against a different creature that is within 5 feet of the original target and within range of your weapon.
• As a reaction when you are hit by an attack you can see within 5 feet of you when wielding two weapons, you can use a Reaction to reduce the damage by 1d10+PB. If the damage is reduced to 0, you can make a single attack with your off hand weapon against the attacker.

 

[fluffybunbunkittens]

Bha, since the Hunter's Horde breaker is removed from the class, give that feature to the Feat:

I like that idea. TWF badly needs it own thing.

 

[Dausuul]

I like that idea. TWF badly needs it own thing.

Agreed. I think the full Horde Breaker ability would be too much (assuming the feat comes with +1 to an ability score, which seems pretty much universal now), but Dual Wielder should do something that isn't just "make some numbers a little bigger."

 

[Charlaquin]

I'm not a big fan of two-weapon fighting, but I feel like, given that the most developed real life form was rapier with an offhand dagger or similar weapon, that you shouldn't need a feat for that.

Everyone seems to forget eskrima is a thing…

 

[Charlaquin]

Most of the stuff in the feat should just apply to everyone, like the drawing two weapons part.

Amusingly, it does with the wording in the UA.

 

[Charlaquin]

the feat should add, that you can make 2nd offhand attack if you have Extra attack feature.

Yes!!

 

[cbwjm]

The feat has definitely changed enough where I wouldn't consider it for any concepts which have dual wielding as the main focus.

 

[Blue]

It wasn't an exciting feat, and they chose to make it worse (while other, more popular feats just got the +1 stat slammed on top of them).

Please, show me a popular feat that "just got the +1 stat slammed on top of them". Many of the most popular feats lost more than a +1 to AC in order to gain that +1. For example, GWM and SS both lost the -5/+10 that has been a major portion of their power.

As it is, the "just one light" averages about 1 point of damage assuming you hit, so about .65 DPR expected. Yet it opens up a good selection of additional weapons for a variety of reasons, such as allowing use of found a magical weapon that isn't light, or perhaps one with a keyword you want like the whip's reach.

It is utterly pointless to pick now (get +1 average dmg with one of your weapons). Even if we ignore this playtest's weird 'draw/stash a weapon before/after every attack' bit, needing a feat just to draw both your weapons was always a terrible idea.

If you listened to the video, they are trying lots of different things and asking for feedback. They added a +1 ASI so they chopped something. Give feedback that it's not balanced. That's what they want.