D&D 5E Eberron versus Multiverse

[Coroc]

Please, the idea that a Sorcerer King knows more about magic and is more powerful then Elminister, even a nerfed 5e Elminister is crazy, SKs are glorified magic scavengers, in a Spell Dual, Elminister would slaughter the SK, because while the SK is draining flowers for magic, El is drawing upon the weave and Mystria. And that is before you count the other two Archmages.

Well depends, in FR I'd say Elminster wins because a goddess has his back if everything else fails.
Alone in Athas? No way. The sorcerer king would drain Elminsters lifeforce to power spells cast at Elminster.
Also a sorcerer king is a level 20+ psionic. Elminster has not enough defenses on his side to counter this.

 

[Mecheon]

Athas is sealed off from the multiverse for a reason.

The Dragon going against Eliminister is going to end up making wherever it happens in Faerun doing its best Mournlands impression. Who wins? Not anyone living in the area for the next few centuries, that's for sure.

 

[Mirtek]

The SK are 20/20 multiclass aren't they? They fall into the trap most such builds do and would probably lose against a pure level 30 archmage

 

[Coroc]

The SK are 20/20 multiclass aren't they? They fall into the trap most such builds do and would probably lose against a pure level 30 archmage

No, not really by 2e rules they have to be 20 Defiler /20 Psionic when they try to become a dragon. When they succeed they can gain levels after that.

If you take the mystic UA as a baseline and give them the immortal subclass in psionics plus superhuman stats, then they are quite unkillable, especially by a single level 30 Wizard. Remember that in 5e 20/20 would mean a hypothetical Level 40char.
After their metamorphosis things would be even worse, the attack routine would be like a dragon and to stat such a thing as a mob would give it incredible legendary resistances in his lair (=town). It would simply save / nullify / counter every spell the wizard throws at him.

 

[Mirtek]

Well, Athas was/is the least sealed of sphere. At least as far as getting in is concerned. Sure a would be visitor needs to go the extra mile as opposed to just blink over between Toril, Oerth and Krynn, but it's not an extra marathon.

Getting out is a little harder, but there are surpringly many portals for those in the know. At least more than one would initially expect.

 

[Mirtek]

No, not really by 2e rules they have to be 20 Defiler /20 Psionic when they try to become a dragon. When they succeed they can gain levels after that.

If you take the mystic UA as a baseline and give them the immortal subclass in psionics plus superhuman stats, then they are quite unkillable, especially by a single level 30 Wizard. Remember that in 5e 20/20 would mean a hypothetical Level 40char.
After their metamorphosis things would be even worse, the attack routine would be like a dragon and to stat such a thing as a mob would give it incredible legendary resistances in his lair (=town). It would simply save / nullify / counter every spell the wizard throws at him.

In 5e both would have much different stats. So we can only compare their 2e stats and maybe 3e stats (if there were official stats)

5e they would get a low-to-mid-20 CR. Basically like powerful archfiends as 30 is for full fledged deities.

 

[Coroc]

Well, Athas was/is the least sealed of sphere. At least as far as getting in is concerned. Sure a would be visitor needs to go the extra mile as opposed to just blink over between Toril, Oerth and Krynn, but it's not an extra marathon.

Getting out is a little harder, but there are surpringly many portals for those in the know. At least more than one would initially expect.

Official lore on that? I know of none, at least not in the 2e rulebooks. They maybe made some comment as side notes of what to do if players want to import characters from another world but that was just for that importing not for regular travel or such, and they did that sort of side notes also for other campaigns.

 

[Mecheon]

Official lore on that?

Early Spelljammer just sort of had Athas there as a place to visit (if completely mad), but later Dark Sun stuff that I can't remember did say that the Grey functioned as a barrier, effectively keeping things trapped in there. Easy to get in, as some particularly unlucky Gith found out. Nigh on impossible to get back out

 

[Mirtek]

There was the occasional two way portal mentioned in various Planescape sources. At hard to find places, usually well guarded but for a supposedly sealed of place at least I would Rate the Number as "more than one would expect"

 

[Coroc]

There was the occasional two way portal mentioned in various Planescape sources. At hard to find places, usually well guarded but for a supposedly sealed of place at least I would Rate the Number as "more than one would expect"

Mm ok, that was planescapes take on inclusiveness for the "just in case ... " situation.
Still, for PCs it does not make much sense to get in or out of darksun in ravenloft style. The themes in DS are a bit different. For a planescape campaign most prime worlds are not very interesting besides eventually some short trip for a session or so imho, but the inner and outer planes are all the fluff needed.