hexgrid said:
The ones with the fixation aren't the ones complaining about it. The ones with the fixation are the ones that add breasts to a race for no reason other then to pander to horny teenagers and furries.
Eladrins, Tieflings, Dragonborn Too Far Outside Standard Fantasy?
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The ones with the fixation aren't the ones complaining about it. The ones with the fixation are the ones that add breasts to a race for no reason other then to pander to horny teenagers and furries.
Brown Jenkin
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got to love those furry dragons.
Brown Jenkin said:
Sorry, scalies. I forgot to correctly differentiate between almost completely identical subcultures
Scribble
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I wonder if it's less the fact that these creatures are in the PHB and more of a fact that they already have a built in backstory that might conflict with someone's world-vision...
By accepting tiefling, you're also (kind of) accepting that they are a cursed line of humans that once had a great empire.
If your world didn't have a great empire this might not jive too well with you...
Other races, don't seem to have this pre-made backstory. Like elves are forrest dwelling humanoids. But nothing in there about a pre-done backstory.
(of course having not seen the PHB yet, neither of the above statements could be true...)
By accepting tiefling, you're also (kind of) accepting that they are a cursed line of humans that once had a great empire.
If your world didn't have a great empire this might not jive too well with you...
Other races, don't seem to have this pre-made backstory. Like elves are forrest dwelling humanoids. But nothing in there about a pre-done backstory.
(of course having not seen the PHB yet, neither of the above statements could be true...)
The Little Raven
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Scribble said:
We know they're descended from the ancient root that gave us the elves, eladrin, and drow. We know they fled the Feywild into the mortal world when the race split. We know the names of ancient cities and rulers. We know Corellon took Gruumsh's eye. That's all backstory, and just as intrusive and detailed as the tiefling stuff.
Scribble
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Scribble said:True... nevermind then.
Although on second thought, while this might be true, since those races have "existed before" it's easier to accept. It's easier to ignore their backstory because they are "familiar" races, and the backstory is relatively similar to the old D&D stuff...
To accept the new races you also have to kind of accept the new story.
I don't know, I'm not a psychologist, so I'm just BSin on a message board.
I can't see acceptance of new races in the PHB as a generational thing. I'm old enough to have read pretty much the entire Lieber, Howard, Moorecock, Tolkien and Vance corpus. I'm also a classicist by training and vocation (I teach Latin and Mythology).
Most of my group is as old as I am (with two who are a little older). The general consensus seems to be in agreement with my own opinions.
I really like the new races in the PHB. I probably won't play one (almost all of my characters are human, but I have an idea for a tiefling), but I've enjoyed working them into my upcoming 4e campaign.
I see very little similarity between D&D elves and the Lojosalfar, or between dwarves and dvergar. Don't even get me started on gnomes and halflings.
It would seem to me that a lot of folks get upset because 4e will include races that weren't present in Tolkien. Most of the other authors of classic fantasy hardly included non-humans at all.
For decades D&D has been shoved into a tiny little Tolkien shaped box. I'm so glad that 4e will be finally be allowed to crawl a few inches out of the box. If PHB1 included rules for fauns, centaurs, changelings, shifters, warforged, goblins, hobgoblins, lizardfolk, etc..., we could say that the game had finally broken out of its constraints and become an actual fantasy game (instead of very poor Tolkien simulator).
Oh well. It's a step in the right direction.
I wrote the post. Of course it's my opinion.
Most of my group is as old as I am (with two who are a little older). The general consensus seems to be in agreement with my own opinions.
I really like the new races in the PHB. I probably won't play one (almost all of my characters are human, but I have an idea for a tiefling), but I've enjoyed working them into my upcoming 4e campaign.
I see very little similarity between D&D elves and the Lojosalfar, or between dwarves and dvergar. Don't even get me started on gnomes and halflings.
It would seem to me that a lot of folks get upset because 4e will include races that weren't present in Tolkien. Most of the other authors of classic fantasy hardly included non-humans at all.
For decades D&D has been shoved into a tiny little Tolkien shaped box. I'm so glad that 4e will be finally be allowed to crawl a few inches out of the box. If PHB1 included rules for fauns, centaurs, changelings, shifters, warforged, goblins, hobgoblins, lizardfolk, etc..., we could say that the game had finally broken out of its constraints and become an actual fantasy game (instead of very poor Tolkien simulator).
Oh well. It's a step in the right direction.
I wrote the post. Of course it's my opinion.
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