Eldritch Knight strategies
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Parlan said:
The spell still works as stated. Scorching Ray does extra damage on a crit, so Scorching Ray through a Channel Spell should work the same way.
If you are thinking Arcane Strike, then you are correct.
So, maxed out that character does 74 on a normal attack and 146.5 on a critical.
If you pick up the arcane strike feat and have spells to spare, here is a simple tactic. Cast haste and wade into battle using spell slots to up your to hit and damage. You can roll some of your bonus from arcane strike into power attack (if you have it) to further boost damage output.
Thanee said:How about this?
Round 1)
11th level Fighter charges in and makes 1 attack.
11th level Ftr/Wiz/EK casts extended Wraithstrike and Polymorph to become an 11-headed Hydra.
Round 2)
11th level Fighter kicks in boots of speed and full attacks with 4 attacks.
11th level Ftr/Wiz/EK charges with 11 (touch) attacks (with full Power Attack).
Round 3)
11th level Fighter full attacks with 4 attacks.
11th level Ftr/Wiz/EK full attacks with 11 attacks.
One 3rd and one 4th level slot used (for very powerful spells, tho). There are quite a few left still.
Bye
Thanee
And of course we are in a room large enough to fit Mr. Hydra and of course he has polymorph memorized and of course he can get two spells off in one round (maybe I am missing something there; could be) and of course...
Another "and if..."
Well "if": said foighter were in a ten by ten room - bye bye Mr. Eldritch.
"if" of course EK makes his saves from the AoO's form casting - of course he does! But 'if" Mr. Fighter has Mage Slayer - oh never mind that now! Why make the playnig felld even; it ruins ones point!
"If" Mr. Fighter has a bane weapon...
"If" Mr. Fighter has an arrow of 11-headed Hydra Slaying and +5 Composite longbow with True Strike, bane, holy...anything else that can be thought of...
Once again: "In this scenario...my guy wins becasue I set it up that way"
If you paid attention to my post I addressed just that.
Point 1: Mr. Eldritch Knight picks up big sword and walks over to fighter - he dies
Point 2: Mr. Eldritch Knight goes toe to toe with another arcane caster of the same character level witha duel of spells - he dies
Point 3: Mr. Eldrtich Knight in the proper circumstances wins
Point 4: Mr. Eldrtich Knight in the inproper circumstances dies
Point 5: Single Class characters are better at their dicipline and on average beat out multi-class characters.
I don't know to much about the polymorph spell; never used it much; but I would venture to guess that changing into a large or larger creatreue requires higher levels...
Not to mention that exactly how, in all teh scenarios out there will you get the feats to do everything in every post you may make?
Did you bother to read my entire post? Or just focused on the segment (eliminating the overall points of the post) that you wanted to? Apparently you did...
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Thanee
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I didn't mean to have them fight each other... but rather have them in the same position, or side by side.
And, the main difference here is, that what I have written above is a completely viable scenario that works in most situations.
In a 10 ft. room, different spells or different forms would be used, there are thousands of possibilities.
And yes, those two spells can be cast in a single round. Also, AoOs from spellcasting never happen, that's what defensive casting is for.
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Thanee
And, the main difference here is, that what I have written above is a completely viable scenario that works in most situations.
In a 10 ft. room, different spells or different forms would be used, there are thousands of possibilities.
And yes, those two spells can be cast in a single round. Also, AoOs from spellcasting never happen, that's what defensive casting is for.
Bye
Thanee
Thanee said:I didn't mean to have them fight each other... but rather have them in the same position, or side by side.
And, the main difference here is, that what I have written above is a completely viable scenario that works in most situations.
In a 10 ft. room, different spells or different forms would be used, there are thousands of possibilities.
And yes, those two spells can be cast in a single round. Also, AoOs from spellcasting never happen, that's what defensive casting is for.
Bye
Thanee
You still have to make the COncentration check; and with mage slayer you fail it automatically.
Thanee
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Fighter1 said:
If you completely ignore the EKs spellcasting ability, then yes, the fighter is a better fighter, of course.
If you completely ignore the EKs martial abilities, then yes, the pure arcane caster is simply better, of course, being the better spellcaster.
But in both cases you are comparing one full character against a fraction of the other character. Not a fair comparison in my eyes.
Not much to say about that.
That's certainly right, but not even always, as it depends on the situation.
And this is simply wrong. It's a nice theory, but nothing more.
Except for stupidly build characters, like Cleric 10 / Wizard 10, or somesuch, multiclass characters are often very capable, especially when you look at the non-spellcasters.
A simple example, a Fighter 10 compared to a Barbarian 1/Fighter 9. The multiclass character is - in pretty much every situation - more capable. All he misses out is one feat, but instead has huge additional abilities (Rage, Fast Movement), +1 Fort save, +2 hit points, more and better skills. That's certainly better than that 10th (or 11th) feat the fighter has.
Concentration checks are extremely easy and Mage Slayer is an extremely rare feat, which doesn't even really do anything.
Actually, yes, I did.
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Thanee
Thanee
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Fighter1 said:
Well, the whole amount of two feats I have mentioned above is covered by the bonus feats alone.
The third feat, which is only implied, but you certainly know which I mean, could be chosen at 1st level. Leaves all the other feats free.
All those feats are also very common for such characters (warrior-spellcaster).
Not quite as unreasonable as getting the Mage Slayer feat into the equation, really, or 'Mr. Fighter has an arrow of 11-headed Hydra Slaying and +5 Composite longbow with True Strike, bane, holy...anything else that can be thought of...', even though that feat wouldn't make the 'playing field even' at all, since it would have no effect at all in that situation. And giving the EK an equivalent weapon would just be fair, don't you think?
Also what scenario are you talking about here exactly?
I didn't even provide a scenario, just a pretty standard procedure of a fighter in just about every combat, and to compare what the EK could do in the same time, round by round, so you can see that the EK will surely not lag behind in dealing damage after the first round.
Doesn't seem like you appreciate the effort, tho.
Bye
Thanee
P.S.
You need 11th level for an 11-headed hydra, since an 11-headed hydra has 11 HD.
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