Elminster vs. Mordenkainen
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Ssyleia
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Alzrius said:
He's been getting those supplementary levels in response to the novels (notable Elminster: Making of a Mage) and I dimly remember seeing dual-class stats of Elminster after the release of that novel in 2E...
Ever since the publication in 1st Edition a lot of things have happened involving Elminster, such as his capture by the Malaugrym in the "Shadows" trilogy - so it is very well justified he got a couple of new levels...
Alzrius
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Ssyleia said:
I know, my last post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I guess I should have added a smiley.
Obviously Elminster hasn't just recently gained those few cleric levels, for example; like many of the mechanical changes across the vary editions, his levels are considered retconned for the entirety of his development as a character.
Ssyleia
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Alzrius said:I know, my last post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I guess I should have added a smiley.
Obviously Elminster hasn't just recently gained those few cleric levels, for example; like many of the mechanical changes across the vary editions, his levels are considered retconned for the entirety of his development as a character.
Don't catch me wrong either
Whenever an important good guy has to die for dramatic purposes - chances are it's Elminster (whom even new players can relate to) - provided we are playing FR...
Dareoon Dalandrove
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I think that they should have a battle. Get two players to take charge of them and fight it out post by post.
Elminster
As it turns out Elminster, the Sage of Shadowdale, is more than a thousand years old. And if you've read his adventures you'd see that he has gained all of his levels. There was a period of time before he was a mage that he was a pickpocket, and, furthermore, he spent a period of time learning to be a fighter. Azuth, the God of Mages, commanded that he not use his magic, that he learn to rely on himself. In that time period, he killed a variety of thugs who'd taken over a town, journeyed across Faerun, and generally made a nuisance of himself to all the low-level baddies he could find.
Beyond that, he's been apprenticed to a variety of high-level mages, including the Arch-mage of the Starym, one of the leading families of Myth Drannor, an Avatar of the Goddess Mystra when she was pretending to be mortal so that she might learn of Bane, and he's the "boyfriend" of the Simbul, whom the FRCS calls the one most likely to master arcane magic in the realms.
He's also fought his way out of Hell.
Being a chosen of Mystra, he gets all sorts of benefits not available to Mordenkainen: +10 inherent bonus to Constitution; silverfire, a raw stream of arcane energy that will annihilate anything he aims it at; bonus spells; spell immunity (1 from each level) to detect thoughts, disintegrate, evard's black tentacles, feeblemind, finger of death, fireball, magic missile, sunburst, temporal stasis; spell like abilities (all 1/day) dispel magic, lesser ironguard, see invisibility, shapechange, Simbuls synostodweomer, spider climb, teleport without error, thunderlance, true seeing.
All in all, I'd say that he could woop MD in a fight. But that's just my opinion--I could be wrong.
As it turns out Elminster, the Sage of Shadowdale, is more than a thousand years old. And if you've read his adventures you'd see that he has gained all of his levels. There was a period of time before he was a mage that he was a pickpocket, and, furthermore, he spent a period of time learning to be a fighter. Azuth, the God of Mages, commanded that he not use his magic, that he learn to rely on himself. In that time period, he killed a variety of thugs who'd taken over a town, journeyed across Faerun, and generally made a nuisance of himself to all the low-level baddies he could find.
Beyond that, he's been apprenticed to a variety of high-level mages, including the Arch-mage of the Starym, one of the leading families of Myth Drannor, an Avatar of the Goddess Mystra when she was pretending to be mortal so that she might learn of Bane, and he's the "boyfriend" of the Simbul, whom the FRCS calls the one most likely to master arcane magic in the realms.
He's also fought his way out of Hell.
Being a chosen of Mystra, he gets all sorts of benefits not available to Mordenkainen: +10 inherent bonus to Constitution; silverfire, a raw stream of arcane energy that will annihilate anything he aims it at; bonus spells; spell immunity (1 from each level) to detect thoughts, disintegrate, evard's black tentacles, feeblemind, finger of death, fireball, magic missile, sunburst, temporal stasis; spell like abilities (all 1/day) dispel magic, lesser ironguard, see invisibility, shapechange, Simbuls synostodweomer, spider climb, teleport without error, thunderlance, true seeing.
All in all, I'd say that he could woop MD in a fight. But that's just my opinion--I could be wrong.
Trainz
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Funny. But that wouldn't mean anything. It might just mean that the guy playing the winner new the spell rules and intricacies better than the loser, regardless of which wizard he plays.Dareoon Dalandrove said:
Anyways, it is clear that Waldorf is the strongest (remember that very old Dragon letter when a dude said his 100-levelish wizard completely destroyed greyhawk and killed Mordenkainen, so he wanted to know how many XP's this was worth, because he thought that he gained a few levels ? Waldorf Hysteria it was entitled IIRC...).
edit: Arani gave me his real name: Waldorf (NOT Wulfgar)
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Trainz
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For the record, I'd like to take this moment to post an exerpt from the newsgroup rec.games.frp.dnd Faq. I know this has nothing to do with the ENworld Faq, but just thought I'd share...
Interesting...
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Arani Korden
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Trainz said:
Waldorf.
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