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EN World Short Story Smackdown - FINAL: Berandor vs Piratecat - The Judgment Is In!

Orchid Blossom said:
I tend to have no idea whatsoever for a plot until after about two days, then have to hurry to get the skeleton written at all.

Ah, the ongoing war between writer and brain.

With regard to mental blocks, it helps, IMVVHO, to consider the positive aspects of storytelling, rather than dwell on the negative (in both the milieu of writing and your own talents). Dwelling on the negative, particularly voicing negativity out loud (see the quote above), invariably causes a mental block loop and spoils your chances of writing something cool. The loop is, of course, self perpetuating. If you get a mental block once, you'll expect it next time, and what the brain expects, the brain usually gets.

A simple trick: say out loud to yourself, and to friends, family, strangers on the internet etc, that you'll come up with ideas from the get go and won't experience mental blocks. Repeat until brain is convinced and you start to expect an easier time. Not a new trick, by any means, but it works wonders.

[SBLOCK=My thoughts on Piratecat/Orchid round (yay, finally have some spare time to comment!)]

Orchid Blossom said:
The biggest challenge for me in this contest is thinking in short story terms. Even in my creative writing classes in college my "short stories" were usually chapters of something longer.

It definitely helps to think of the two things (books and short stories) as different animals. It's easy, IMO, to mistake the two as similar because some stories use a comparable narrative structure. In fact, I think, a well conceived short story can be about as different from a book as a data spreadsheet is from a word processed letter, and I'm not just talking about length :)

On which note, congratulations Piratecat, but my vote in this instance would have gone for Orchid Blossom's piece. I loved your story idea Piratecat, really liked the idea of a first person dictation and you certainly display an awesome understanding of foundation writing, but for my preferences the story was a bit... hm... safe? It adhered a little too closely to traditional structure (set up, knock down, twist, baddaboom baby- the end) and I think there's scope, particularly in a competition like this, to experiment a bit and push the envelope more than a little.

Flawless structure and writing though. In terms of scoring rounds in CDM, I think this might be the best tactic to go with.

Orchid Blossom's piece, by comparison, was... well... how can I put it... beautiful, subtle, near poetic in places. Nothing is explained so bluntly that you know exactly what's going on first time, but with second and third reads you notice more, and I prefer this kind of tantalising suggestion to slap-in-the-face explanation. I did feel it was the superior of the two stories, perhaps not so conventional, but certainly more experimental. And beautiful. Did I mention beautiful?

Both, of course, were really very good and there's clearly no lack of talent here.
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[SBLOCK=Critique/feedback of my two favourite stories (tadk's and mythago's)]
Report on the Viability of Test Objects and Test Subjects by tadk

What can I say? I loved it!! Absolutely revolting and shiver-inducing. As the first story in the CDM I was praying this would set the tone. A horrible (in places disturbing) piece that pushes the envelope and plays around with both the conventional composition of a short story and our own expectations. Very subtle, so not to everyones' tastes, but subtle is by no means a bad thing and this story would not have looked the least bit out of place in Interzone or Third Alternative. The cold, clinical, dystopian world these awful experimenting... (aliens? Inter-dimensional beings?) creatures inhabit left me feeling rather sick, and there were some great parallels with our own health and safety obsessed culture. Want to study an oozing toothy maw in a can? Make sure you do it by the book! Hehe. Great.

In terms of writing I found the piece to be almost as flawless in its officious and clinical tone as Piratecat's more traditional narrative tone. Either tadk has a medical background, or he has a real flair for delving deep in his subject matter??

Well done tadk and commiserations that you didn't make the cut for the next round, I was really hoping you would as I'd like to see more of your work.

Untitled by Mythago (suggest The Chippendale Boys In Search of Mister Right :))

Helluva confusing at first, but I loved it! Here's a story that turns the whole concept of tradition on its big gay head and slaps its lycra-clad ass with a feather duster. From the naming of characters (just sublime) to the stitch-face staccato gunfire style of scene set ups and dialogue. Here's a great lesson in how to throw everything out the window and let imagination take over.

Descriptions are minimal, but give you everything you need to know (with the possible exception of the first few paragraphs, but all writers are allowed at least one brain-burp in this thing I think). Characters are cartoonish, but fleshed out quickly with quirky dialogue and humour "You’re practically wearing a burqa by local standards." Imagination rules the day though, and that's what grabbed me, spanked me and left me chuckling. A plane with the AI of a puppy, a protagonist turned into an upside down tree (what the hell?!) and a BBEG called Criminal Procedure. Excellent.

If I have a complaint it's that this is more akin to the first chapter of a book (or even the second/third chapter) than a story within its own boundaries. I know this, because I was left wanting more and wondering what was going to happen next. Ending a one off short story on a cliffhanger is really not a very nice thing to do to a reader Mythago ;)
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These were the main points I wanted to make about six pages back. As I mentioned then, I think all stories were really great and, though my opinion probably matters diddly in the greater scheme of things, I'd hate for anyone to think I was deliberately snubbing them or their story by not giving specific feedback.
 

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Dlsharrock said:
Ah, the ongoing war between writer and brain.

With regard to mental blocks, it helps, IMVVHO, to consider the positive aspects of storytelling, rather than dwell on the negative (in both the milieu of writing and your own talents). Dwelling on the negative, particularly voicing negativity out loud (see the quote above), invariably causes a mental block loop and spoils your chances of writing something cool. The loop is, of course, self perpetuating. If you get a mental block once, you'll expect it next time, and what the brain expects, the brain usually gets.

A simple trick: say out loud to yourself, and to friends, family, strangers on the internet etc, that you'll come up with ideas from the get go and won't experience mental blocks. Repeat until brain is convinced and you start to expect an easier time. Not a new trick, by any means, but it works wonders.

Good advice in general. For me though, it's not a mental block. 2 days is just about how long it takes for the pictures to percolate and compost in my brain. I spend some time looking at them, some time thinking about them, and some time ignoring them. I write down whatever ideas pop in my head over that time and occasionally write a paragraph or two about one of the pictures or other. By the time the thoughts have gelled I usually have a day left for the business of writing. (Most of which I usually have to spend at work, but don't we all?)

I totally agree with you about the power of positive thinking, though. If you tell yourself you can't do something, then you can't.

I have tried taking an opposite track and just writing whatever comes into my head when the pictures come up and go with it, so I'll have more time for the writing. It never comes out well. The story just needs time to "brain bake" for me.
 

Dlsharrock said:
[SBLOCK=My thoughts on Piratecat/Orchid round (yay, finally have some spare time to comment!)]
On which note, congratulations Piratecat, but my vote in this instance would have gone for Orchid Blossom's piece. I loved your story idea Piratecat, really liked the idea of a first person dictation and you certainly display an awesome understanding of foundation writing, but for my preferences the story was a bit... hm... safe? It adhered a little too closely to traditional structure (set up, knock down, twist, baddaboom baby- the end) and I think there's scope, particularly in a competition like this, to experiment a bit and push the envelope more than a little.
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Interesting thoughts, and they're making me think. My goal this round was to write something accessible and tight that was still a challenge to me. Nah, I wasn't trying to subvert conventional paradigms, but I knew that going in. Would it be a better story if I had? I dunno. But if you're seeing it as too safe, then all I can say is that you're glad you weren't reading my stories a few years ago. :D
 
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A battle of giants...

My comments on Piratecat and Orchid Blossom:

WOW! (That might be enough right there, but I'll go on.)

These are my two favorites so far, by a pretty wide margin (though admittedly I am way behind on reading and many competitors haven't been looked at yet); it is unfortunate for Orchid Blossom that two great stories hit in the first round, but that's happened before and is part of the game. A huge congratulations to both of you.

O.B. : Sleeping in the Hell You Made...
Orchid Blossom's piece was not as tight as Piratecat's, but it might be my favorite (by a hair's breadth), I especially love the multiple layers of underlying concepts. There's the 'cycle' thing of the world's ages, which has been done before but which isn't overdone here and doesn't feel cliche'; and even more intriguing is the layers of hell thing, created by belief and sustained by belief. The idea that hell exists because we need it to is not entirely new, but it feels new here because of the added element that its denizens continue in torment despite having paid their debts many times over, simply because they think/believe they deserve it. That is so human, and so very disturbing, and I love that the main character was a former denizen. I wanted more (feels like a piece of something bigger) but it was a lovely, disturbing, and beautiful (as has been mentioned) piece.

P.C. : Narrative by Cassette...
Piratecat's piece is so amazingly tight for a 72-hour effort, and I am very impressed by that. I don't agree that it is 'safe,' and the ending got me (despite the fact that because of the very smart foreshadowing I was tingling with the anticipation of what exactly the hook/twist would be, a great feeling for a reader). I think the title is brilliant (despite the judgment) and it adds to the foreshadowing in exactly the right amount. Foreshadowing is a tricky, walk-the-fence procedure, especially when your audience has seen so many fantasy/horror stories with twists, but P.C. walks that fence perfectly here. I also love the creepy (because subtle and implied) cannibalistic element in the middle, and I think the cassette interview is a great frame, reminds me of Rice's "Interview...," the only good vampire novel she wrote.

Well done both of you!
 

Piratecat said:
But if you're seeing it as too safe, then all I can say is that you're glad you weren't reading my stories a few years ago.

No no no. I have a preference for subversion of convention in competitions like this, that's all, and my 'feedback' reflects it. I like my stories with plenty of wierdness, in terms of subject matter and narrative structure, because I like prodding envelopes, testing waters and seeing if new shapes fit in old holes - then again, I am a bit of a wanker.

Lucky I'm not a judge really :p
 

Dlsharrock said:
Ah, the ongoing war between writer and brain.


[SBLOCK=Critique/feedback of my two favourite stories (tadk's and mythago's)]
Report on the Viability of Test Objects and Test Subjects by tadk

What can I say? I loved it!! Absolutely revolting and shiver-inducing. As the first story in the CDM I was praying this would set the tone. A horrible (in places disturbing) piece that pushes the envelope and plays around with both the conventional composition of a short story and our own expectations. Very subtle, so not to everyones' tastes, but subtle is by no means a bad thing and this story would not have looked the least bit out of place in Interzone or Third Alternative. The cold, clinical, dystopian world these awful experimenting... (aliens? Inter-dimensional beings?) creatures inhabit left me feeling rather sick, and there were some great parallels with our own health and safety obsessed culture. Want to study an oozing toothy maw in a can? Make sure you do it by the book! Hehe. Great.

In terms of writing I found the piece to be almost as flawless in its officious and clinical tone as Piratecat's more traditional narrative tone. Either tadk has a medical background, or he has a real flair for delving deep in his subject matter??

Well done tadk and commiserations that you didn't make the cut for the next round, I was really hoping you would as I'd like to see more of your work.


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Hello there
thank you so much for the gushing praise. Makes this old man's heart feel good.
I do not have specific medical background, had to take a lot of first aid and cpr in the military.
As the piece came out it is really told from the point of view of the aliens that do the abductions. I tried to not be too over the top, several veiled references to testing to destruction, vice what they are doing in the course of the tale.
I tried to slide those in as obliquely as I could.

I must owe a serious shout of thanks to the test engineers I recently worked with. While they were all electrical, mechanical, and aeronautical engineers, their phrasing in test reports, their methods, ways of looking at things, all contributed to my submission.
Thanks again.
 

Match Two / Thorod vs. Eeralai

ARWINK’S JUDGMENT

Thorod Ashstaff / To Weep in a Dark Time

I’m going to go right out and say it: Thorod started behind the eight ball with this one, as soon as he threw the word amnesia into the opening. One of the reasons you generally don’t see a lot of amnesia stories in magazines and books is because an editor tends to be inundated with them; “I woke up and didn’t know who I was/where I was” is a common opening for many unpublished story drafts because it puts the author and the character in exactly the same position – they know nothing and have to discover what’s going on at the same time.

Unfortunately I couldn’t shake the feeling that this is what Thorod’s story was doing – the way the character gradually comes into focus, only really gaining definition and a real sense of wanting something at the very conclusion, feels kind of weak. It essentially ends at the point where the character becomes interesting – we’re presented by something she wants badly but can’t have, while we never really feel like discovering her name is all that important to her. Had we started with her waking, knowing that the chant was taking place and wishing she could end it, the ambiguity about her identity would be easier to accept and much more powerful as a narrative device.

Despite this, Thorod has some solid picture use and some very nice metaphors scattered through the piece. The voice worked, for the most part, though the dialogue felt stilted and unnatural. The overall effect is that it is a story with strong potential, but the ideas haven’t quite finished gelling into their final form.

Eeralai / Jenna

Kudos for the hook here – a vampire nun attending a ritual during the day is a great way to grab a reader’s attention and keep it locked in place. A vampire that sees their curse as an irritating inconvenience rather than a reason for self-torture is even better. A vampire-dryad? Well, I’m interested. One of the strengths of this kind of set-up, especially in something like Ceramic DM, is that it earns you a lot of leeway – you’re promising me something I’ve seen before so as a reader I’m willing to give you the space to make it work, and you take that leeway and don’t let us down. The real strength of the piece is the narrative voice, which bubbles along with a lot of energy. It’s naturalistic and flows well, though I didn’t quite buy the dialogue, especially the finally exchange of banter between Jenna and the angel.

Overall I think this is a fun story, but it could be pushed a little further than it is at present. I’m a little up in the air over the ending, though that may well be because the frivolity isn’t really to my taste as a reader.

Judgment

I give the round to Eeralai; her story has a sense of cohesion to it that isn’t quite there in Thorods tale, and I think she’s pushed the picture use further when it comes to providing us with the occasional surprise as a reader.


THE JUDGMENT OF HERREMANN THE WISE

I thought this was an intriguing set of images and was looking forward to reading how our competitors were going to deal with them. While there was a degree of diversity, there was still a unity to the pictures that I thought would allow our writer’s room to stretch their talents. Thorod has perhaps taken a slightly more conservative path whilst Eeralai has let loose like a horse being given its head.

For Thorod Ashtaff, the just awoken memory thing I think worked OK here. I suppose I’m the type of reader who is happy to go along for the ride – and it was a ride I enjoyed. By the end though, I had a few questions and by two read-throughs later, they were still left unanswered. Sometimes this can be a good thing as a reader wonders about some profundity but on this occasion, I was querying why she did what she did in regards to Jake. Dramatically when I first read that she had killed Jake, I was blown away; shortly after though, the weight that should have been behind this event just wasn’t there for me as a reader. Again, the brevity of a match can force certain decisions by the author that if given more time, they would do differently. Having said that though, Thorod continues on completing in the end what I thought was a fine piece. Your picture use was pretty strong throughout and so congratulations.

I have to bow to Eeralai for her piece here. The thought of the combined urges of Dryad and Vampire just made me laugh. The light humourous tone of the piece was majestically maintained with the eventual conclusion feeling right. However, the thing I appreciated even more than this was the intertwining of images and story. It was a seamless and stellar effort for our other competitors to learn from. Each image had presence and purpose in the story, as if you had sucked out the absolute purpose of the pictures provided. Well written and congratulations on a marvellous piece.

Judgment: Eeralai for a superb effort but congratulations to Thorod here too for a great performance as well. While I enjoyed both stories, the vampiric dryad did it for me this time.


MALDUR’S JUDGMENT

You two are making this hard.
Thorod Ashstaff, gloomy, almost pandoraish story. Nice idea, allthough I dont get why jake had to die.
Eeralai with an almost Anita Blake style mixing of races and outragious action ... funky.

Judgement: Thorod ashstaff

FINAL JUDGMENT

Eeralai takes the biscuits this round but only with a two to one advantage. Well done to Thorod, and best of luck for next time.
 


Wow. Thanks, Thorod Ashstaff for making it such a great round. Thanks to the judges for their time and helpful comments. It is all appreciated.

I think Rodrigo must've put Hermann up to matching two people from NM in the first round. He has always been scared of New Mexicans ;) Anyway, I look forward to writing with you another time, Thorod.
 


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