Enterprise 10-23-02 (+ 10-16-02)

Ok ok so I only tape half the episodes and atually set out time from my day to watch the other half.. :P I blame it on an initial addiction from watching the old series that never quite dissipated. I'm proud to say though that despite watching every episode of next gen and ds9, I only bothered with about half of Voyager. Perhaps Janeway's nasal barrage of self-righteous bullocks helped me kick that element of the addiction. But then it started fresh with Enterprise. Time to go on the patch again...
 

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Yeah, I never could really get into Voyager. There were some characters that I really liked, like Paris and Tores(sp?), and the Doctor, but other than that, I didn't dig it too much.

As far as DS9 goes, I always dug the hell outta Odo and the Bartender (can't remember his name), and Dax. Never was too keen on Sisko.
 

So what's up with you folks that seemingly have no interest in Enterprise and still spend your time posting to threads about it? Don't you have something better to do than just bad mouth something you apparently do not like?

Anyway...

The "temporal cold war" (for those for you who haven't figured it out yet) is obviously something they've chosen as a series story arc. I highly doubt that the occasional "I hate this!" post on the Internet is going to change that. I think that with DS9, they kowtowed to the early machinations of the Internet and switched horses in mid stream (adding the Defiant and its off-station antics). I think that after having some serious ratings drop off with DS9 they learned that the majority of outspoken Internet folks really don't have a handle on what most ST fans are interested in seeing. (Yup. I've been around long enough to see how the Internet has affected, then been ignored, in regard to television prgramming.)

So let's be hoenst, DS9 was actually the worst of the series because instead of presenting a vision, they flapped like a weak flag, said they were doing one thing, and then followed a thin segment of public opinion that really only amounted to what little could be gleaned online from disgruntled fans instead of the majority (and yes, online opinion is a smidgeon of what the full audience is).

It's actually why DS9 started off weakly, then finished up weakly, yet remains so poular among Internet crowds. People who are opinionated, and are also disgruntuled, are far more out-spoken online than people who actually like what is status quo. I'm going out on a limb here hoping that EN Boarders are sharp enough to realize the actuality of what I am saying.

*shrug*

Personally, I think that all ST is good (enough) ST and can never figure out why some knuckleheads can complain and not find some way into writing their own versions considering how open the genre actually is. It's amazing to me how easily someone can spend hours and hours online writing online what their personal opinions are and yet when asked to come up with something better can claim they have a busy personal life with whatever excuses they usually put forth as their standard retort.

Bottom line, I think people who complain and can't actually show how they have tried to make things different are selling themsleves short since it is so easily possible to make an actual change. Please don't throw out the usual responses of how tough it is unless you have some documented proof of how you've tried and failed. And if you do have some proof, please share your vision of how it can be done better, so that the usual crowd of nay-sayers can have at your vision and explain why it is no better than what exists.

Anyone of the usual whiners want to tell me about having spent a few months writing something and sending it in only to be rejected?

Better yet, tell me about how you actually spent the time writing something, got rejected, and have an iron in the fire to do some other thing with the idea that didn't make it as an ST epsode.

Let's go one further step and simply tell me about having written even a 1,000 word summary about an idea that you still have yet to do anything with.

I'll give you one last out... Spit out a single idea you have that even makes sense that will stand the battering of a message board crowd (and, let's face it, you're getting off very easy on these particular boards).

*shrug*

Tell ya what, I start a Star Trek thread almost every week. If you don't like what you have spent the time watching, then quit watching, or at least, come to the thread and suggest some way of making it better. Even if you don't have any intention of approaching it professionally to make it better, at the least, try to propose how you would make it better as a fan rather than just bitching about how you think it is bad (or, worse, how much better previous series were in comparison). Don't waste anyone's time with your sad ass bitching, unless you actually have some way of trying to make things better. Cause quite frankly, you aren't dong anything but being a pain in the ass.

The gauntlet has been dropped. It's up to the usual whiners to crap or get the hell off the pot.
 
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Mark said:
Bravo Mark!
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Mark said:


Personally, I think that all ST is good (enough) ST and can never figure out why some knuckleheads can complain and not find some way into writing their own versions considering how open the genre actually is. . . .

. . . please share your vision of how it can be done better, so that the usual crowd of nay-sayers can have at your vision and explain why it is no better than what exists. . .

. . . I'll give you one last out... Spit out a single idea you have that even makes sense that will stand the battering of a message board crowd (and, let's face it, you're getting off very easy on these particular boards).



The gauntlet has been dropped. It's up to the usual whiners to crap or get the hell off the pot.

How about I write an erotic furry star trek with me as the lead character.

(Wish I could find the link, could someone with the search feature who gets this please post it.)
 

Mark! You da man! Several months ago, I started a "Why do so many people hate Voyager" thread and I came to the same conclusions as you: If you hated it, why watch it? And, show me something you can do that is better. So, I secomd your thoughts Mark :)
 

Mark, if you don't like reading about people's opinions other than your own then you should do your blood pressure a favor and not waste your time on internet message boards.

As far as improving Enterprise goes, there are countless ways.

a) Time travel is bullocks. Its a stupid concept that has been beaten to death by every next gen series before it. Voyager's entire ending was based on time travel for cripes sakes.

b) Everything is too easy. This is pre-Kirk. I want to see ingenuity, hard work, blood and sweat. I don't want to see more miracle creations from the engineer as he single handedly staves off the destruction of the ship by combining parts from a hand blender and a warp nacelle.

c) No one ever dies. This is a much harder time. Give the show some edge by inserting the occasional casualty. To my knowledge, they don't have force field technology at the time so why did no one get sucked out when the entire side of the enterprise's saucer section get ripped out? This is no galaxy class cruiser - there's not a lot of room to spare that wouldn't be populated.

d) Its too clean. Brannon Braga needs a hard lesson in watchign some of the grittier sci-fi movies out there. I just watched Alien 4 again the other night. And while its no masterpiece, I foudn myself far more involved and creeped out because of a greater feelign of realism rather than the comfort of beautiful plasticky bulkheads.

e) Enough with the soap opera! If I wanted soap opera, I'd watch the Young and the Restless. They pull it off far better. Give us real storylines and real drama - not some adolescent sexual tensiuon between horny human captains and their ridiculous bodysuit-wearing vulcan science officers.

And I could go on and on and on.. I wanted this show to be good, which is why I am doubly dissapointed by the fact that it is not. If you don't like it, too bad. I will continue to express my opinions regardless.
 

uv23 said:
I will continue to express my opinions regardless.

Of course, these are just your opinions. Again, no one is forcing you to watch it....

What I think Mark is getting at, is that some people whine and carry on, forcing us to endure "This is crap! And whatever anyone else says, unless they agree with me, is wrong", and Mark (and other poeple, including myself) are sick of it. (Hope you don't mind me responding for you Mark! :D)
 

Mark said:

Wow.

That is one of the most pretentious, opinionated, self-important posts I have ever read on these boards.

Out of curiosity, what makes you any different than the vocal majority of long winded, opinionated internet trek posters? You complain about how people complain about specific series, yet you devote two and a half paragraphs talking about why DS9 was awful.

Self reflection is a *good* thing.

:rolleyes:

-F
 

Bah! I say.

I try to beat mark to the punch ... but he seems to get it in there pretty quick.

I liked most things star trek, 'cept DS9 and voyager ... which I didn't watch.

I can't believe how bad the first season of TNG was until I saw the reruns ... :)
 

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