Epic BAB math woes..

[FEADIN]

I think they do not make the calculation this way, HD are not levels, the text I speak is not in the SRD because it is boxed at the bottom of a page in the ELH, I haven't the book there and maybe it is not update because if I remember they speak about ECL and it changed between 3.0 and 3.5, there is an example of a giant blackguard or priest in this boxed text.
I have to look to see.

 

[Knight Otu]

Ah, yes, the Frost Giant Jarl, thanks for reminding me.

And it appears I must admit defeat, since it clearly gets the full progression for its 8 blackguard levels. A definite change in the rules, though, as the 3.0 examples all count racial HDs as part of character level (which they are). I've checked Deities and Demigods again, and it handles the rule as I did.

 

[FEADIN]

One more mystery in the rules....
I think that considering HD to qualify for Epic BAB and for other Epic stuff seems too easy, I prefer to go another way, maybe with the CR, because a CR 21 monster is nearly the same as a "normal" CR 21 class level human for exemple.

 

[Sledge]

I don't think this was a change in the rules, so much as certain people not bothering with epic, so now we have contradictions in place. In this case I go towards the FAQ ruling as otherwise some of these creatures achieve obscene BAB.

 

[Nail]

I don't think this was a change in the rules, so much as certain people not bothering with epic,....

Yup.

It would be nice if they revised and updated the ELH, to make it consistent and "state-of-the-art".

Call it the "Expanded Epic Level Handbook".

Of course, with such a title I'd have to hate it.

 

[glass]

The first 20 aberration HD grant +15 BAB. The next four racial levels (essencially what HD are) grant +2 epic BAB. Then the 24 Bbn levels grant +12 epic BAB. Thus the final total is +29/+24/+19. Note that due to the racial HD only granting 3 attacks, that's all the creature will ever have.

No, you always get full value for racial HD, otherwise they would have to have rewritten the MM to be compatible with the ELH.


glass.

 

[Pinotage]

No, you always get full value for racial HD, otherwise they would have to have rewritten the MM to be compatible with the ELH.


glass.

The way it currently is, yes. But I think they should've made it compatible from the start, thereby granting epic attack bonus to creatures with more than 20 HD.

Pinotage

 

[Nail]

The way it currently is, yes. But I think they should've made it compatible from the start, thereby granting epic attack bonus to creatures with more than 20 HD.

...which would have required a separate appendix for Epic material in the MM. Something they were (obviously) not willing to spend money on. That should tell you something, I think.

 

[Pinotage]

...which would have required a separate appendix for Epic material in the MM. Something they were (obviously) not willing to spend money on. That should tell you something, I think.

Yip. Still, a web-enhancement updating all 3.5e MM critters to epic levels would not be too much to ask - how many of them are there in any case? Certainly less than a dozen if that much.

Pinotage

 

[RisnDevil]

So what is the final concensus about BAB, Class levels, Racial HD, and ECL? And where is the supporting documentation? (So I can look it up for myself.....)