Epic Feats

[mikebr99]

Correct, it sounded like you were saying they could take any feat, unrestricted.

Sorry for the miscommunication... I know we had this exact same discussion last week... and I remember you saying that you would allow a 20th Wiz/1st fighter to start taking epic feats with his fighter levels... I just don't agree with that.

 

[toberane]

ummmm.... nevermind.

 

[Cloudgatherer]

And Andy is right... or else every character would start taking fighter levels after 20th... for the multitude of feats!!

Nope, I disagree. It looks like this statement has already been disproven above.

I'd say what Andy said in response to a forum post is not official. I seriously doubt he considered it for very long before posting.

 

[Cloudgatherer]

Sorry for the miscommunication... I know we had this exact same discussion last week... and I remember you saying that you would allow a 20th Wiz/1st fighter to start taking epic feats with his fighter levels... I just don't agree with that.

I would. Why? Because there should be no way the wizard can qualify for them (at least most of the powerful ones). But if that same character wanted to learn to "fight good", I see no harm in allowing the character to take something like Epic Prowess.

 

[Crothian]

Sorry for the miscommunication... I know we had this exact same discussion last week... and I remember you saying that you would allow a 20th Wiz/1st fighter to start taking epic feats with his fighter levels... I just don't agree with that.

So, you acknoledge that the rules say you can do this but as a DM you wouldn't allow it? I can see that.

 

[Marshall]

but now the bonus ones are chosen from the epic fighter list.

Youre right, I meant 'Epic' FTR resricted feat list.

 

[mikebr99]

I just don't see why I should let a 5th level Wizard take 1 level of fighter and get a certain amount of stuff (feat and some skills) and then turn around and let a 20th level Wizard take 1 level of fighter and be aloud to take a completely different set of stuff.

The 1st level fighter skill set (i.e. all class bonuses for 1st level) should be the same at any level you take it...

I fail to see why "being Epic" has any bearing on the power increase from taking the lowest level of fighter skill... besides the rules saying so.

Just my 2 cents... and with the way the Canadian dollar is doing, I think I owe YOU money!!

 

[drnuncheon]

I just don't see why I should let a 5th level Wizard take 1 level of fighter and get a certain amount of stuff (feat and some skills) and then turn around and let a 20th level Wizard take 1 level of fighter and be aloud to take a completely different set of stuff.

The 1st level fighter skill set (i.e. all class bonuses for 1st level) should be the same at any level you take it...

I fail to see why "being Epic" has any bearing on the power increase from taking the lowest level of fighter skill... besides the rules saying so.

Right. It also makes some classes infinitely more attractive than others - a level of fighter suddenly becomes far better than a level of any other class, because you can go immediately to the epic abilities without messing around for 20 levels.

A Wiz20/Monk1 doesn't start getting the monk's epic level abilities right away - they have to go through 19 more levels of monk first. Similarly, a Wiz20/Ftr1 shouldn't be able to grab epic fighter feats right off the bat (except with his character-level feats, of course).

J

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Right. It also makes some classes infinitely more attractive than others - a level of fighter suddenly becomes far better than a level of any other class, because you can go immediately to the epic abilities without messing around for 20 levels.

A Wiz20/Monk1 doesn't start getting the monk's epic level abilities right away - they have to go through 19 more levels of monk first. Similarly, a Wiz20/Ftr1 shouldn't be able to grab epic fighter feats right off the bat (except with his character-level feats, of course).

J

You are, of course, completely right. But unfortunately, some people love to ignore the spirit of the rules if they can troll out some extra power out of the letter of the rules, even if they aren't worded correctly and even the designers say they didn't mean it that way.

 

[Shard O'Glase]

considering the vast majority of epic feats seem decidedly un-epic I'd just follow page 8. Oh no look out he has epic lightining reflexes andnow has a +4 to his reflex saves, he's unstopable with those epic feats.

and yes I do know that there are some really cool epic feats but please I'm going to put most of these in my games as standard feats.