Epic lvl question

[questionmark]

Correct.

I may have it all wrong but isn't this the opposite of your first post?

 

[drnuncheon]

I may have it all wrong but isn't this the opposite of your first post?

Nope - in the first post he was talking about feats, in the second he was talking about BAB/EAB and saves. (Note that the epic levels of a class technically don't have BAB & save progressions.)

Also note that the question of whether one can get epic bonus feats from your fighter levels without having Ftr21+ is debatable - the authors of the ELH have answered the question on both ways on different occasions. I don't remember looking in the revised DMG to see how they do it.

J

 

[questionmark]

So a multiclassed fighter (10 Xclass\10fighter) that goes epic gains epic ab every other level right? so if you level up twice to lvl 22 (10 x class\12 fighter) you only gain +1 to your AB? I guess that doesnt make sense to me why wouldnt it go up one every level until your fighter class lvl reaches 20? I have always looked at the bab in the fighter class as one of the "special abilities" of the fighter class that helps to balance the class with respect to other classes why would you lose this when you go epic but a no other class loses anything?

 

[kreynolds]

So a multiclassed fighter (10 Xclass\10fighter) that goes epic gains epic ab every other level right?

Yes.

so if you level up twice to lvl 22 (10 x class\12 fighter) you only gain +1 to your AB?

Yes.

I guess that doesnt make sense to me why wouldnt it go up one every level until your fighter class lvl reaches 20?

Because your BAB freezes at level 20, regardless of your classes.

I have always looked at the bab in the fighter class as one of the "special abilities" of the fighter class that helps to balance the class with respect to other classes why would you lose this when you go epic but a no other class loses anything?

Considering that the Barbarian, Paladin and Ranger also get the same BAB, it's not very special.

 

[drnuncheon]

I have always looked at the bab in the fighter class as one of the "special abilities" of the fighter class that helps to balance the class with respect to other classes why would you lose this when you go epic but a no other class loses anything?

It's to prevent the numbers from getting too far apart.

If you let fighters get +1 BAB for every level, then by the time they reach 30th or so, they hit with every attack. If you scale the monster AC so that they don't, then nobody else has a hope in hell of hitting them. If everyone's progression flattens out at 20th level, though, the BAB gap maxes out at 10.

J

 

[Jhamin]

If you plan on letting your campaign go epic, the players now have to do a bit more planning in their charaters. Some class power keep going when you gain epic levels, others freeze at charcter level 20 (NOT class level 20).

If you are a multiclass fighter/something, and you want to maximize your BAB, you need to squeeze as many levels as you can in before 21, cause after that you are getting the epic progressions regardless of what class combination got you there.

In the same way, if you are a spellcaster who plans on using all the neeto epic spell casting seeds you had darn well better drop some skill ranks into knowledge: arcana/nature/religion (and possibly a feat into skill focus, so you can pick up epic skill focus). Otherwise you will be spending an awful lot of levels just getting your skills up high enough to be useful.

 

[ruleslawyer]

While every point made above regarding EAB is valid, I must step in and disagree with the assertion that the system works for multiclassed fighter-types. Good BAB is an important asset of warrior classes, and it strikes me as a mite silly that BAB should suffer as a result of identical class combinations being taken in different orders. IMHO, the Ftr20/Rog10 should have just as good a chance of hitting opponents as does the Ftr10/Rog10/Ftr10. As such, the house rule that I use is that a multiclassed character may use his 20 best levels to calculate BAB. Thus, a Wiz10/Ftr10 who then takes 10 epic levels of fighter is considered to have a BAB of +20 and an EAB of +5.

 

[der_kluge]

While we're on this discussion, someone answer this for me. Does Epic BAB stack with regular BAB, or is it something completely different?

 

[kreynolds]

Does Epic BAB stack with regular BAB, or is it something completely different?

It's not an Epic Base Attack Bonus. It's and Epic Attack Bonus. While that may appear to be a seemingly trivial distinction, it's not. BAB can result in more attacks per round. EAB cannot.

To answer you're question though, they stack for the purposes of feats and such.

 

[Pax]

Ruleslawyer, you should IMO do the same with Base Saves as you propose doing with BAB. Otherwise, I agree with you 100% ... it should be a "what's the best you can do" not "what order did you do 'em in" ...