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Evil protagonists from fiction - or 'Examples of how to play the bad guy without being a total jerk'


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TheSword

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Brock Samson is the deuteragonist of The Venture Bros. He is an O.S.I. agent and bodyguard of Dr. Thaddeus Venture. He is a parody of pro-wrestler Psycho Sid Vicious.

In the beginning of the series, he seemed to be hostile and closed off to most of the family. While loyal to them and has shown to care about them, he largely ignored them, focused on brutally murdering his enemies and having sex as often as possible. As the series has continued he has begun showing affection for the Ventures, and a great deal of concern for their safety. Though a departure from the unfeeling Brock of early episodes, the writers confirm he is still assumed to be the 'Swedish Murder Machine' behind the scenes.
 


Yep. And people in the real world still named their children after her. While the last season could have been done better, Game of Thrones was great long con - many people were fine with Daenerys because she was supposed to be the hero, until she wasn't.

She explicitly said on several occasions from as early as S1 that one day she was going to slaughter tens of thousands, rip down castles, and burn everyone to death.

But for her advisors (Jorah, Barristan Selmy, Tyrion) she would have burnt and massacred a lot more people, and a lot earlier as well. She was always going for the 'kill them all' and was always talked down by Good aligned protagonists.
 

Sithlord

Adventurer
Yep. And people in the real world still named their children after her. While the last season could have been done better, Game of Thrones was great long con - many people were fine with Daenerys because she was supposed to be the hero, until she wasn't.
I never saw Daenyris as a hero ever. She was a selfish girl who thought she was entitled to the throne because of her birth and she was going to fight for the status of queen. The care of people was just an afterthought to get them to follow her. Sure she wanted her people to do well under her. But only under her rule which was her right by birth.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Yep. And people in the real world still named their children after her. While the last season could have been done better, Game of Thrones was great long con - many people were fine with Daenerys because she was supposed to be the hero, until she wasn't.
People thought she was hawt and overthrowing the slavers made her hawt and edgy. But she was always a bit psychotic
 


That's A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones at its best, challenging assumptions and undermining tropes (in Daenerys, The Chosen One, for example).

I think a lot of people's feelings about the final season make it hard to extricate what was about rushed storytelling and what was them not liking Daenerys going in the exact direction that it turned out she had been heading this whole time.

I never saw Daenyris as a hero ever. She was a selfish girl who thought she was entitled to the throne because of her birth and she was going to fight for the status of queen. The care of people was just an afterthought to get them to follow her. Sure she wanted her people to do well under her. But only under her rule which was her right by birth.

People thought she was hawt and overthrowing the slavers made her hawt and edgy. But she was always a bit psychotic
 

To be included they must be

1) Protagonists of the story
2) Not jerks to the other protagonists (this rules out the CE Rick Sanchez)
3) Workable as a PC in your average party of PCs without bringing the game to a total screeching halt.

* The protagonists from the shock rock band GWAR's songs. The characters are mass murdering rapist cannibal war criminals but they get along with each other and are even sometimes heroic in the sense that they oppose other cosmic evils such as Satan, the robotic space tyrant Cardinal Syn, and the Scumdogs Of The Universe organization that they broke off from.

* The four libertines from the Marquis de Sade's The School of Libertinage. They're murderers, sex criminals, slavers, war profiteers, and involved in government corruption, but work together as a group to support their criminal empire and maintain their sybaritic lifestyle.

* Anakin Skywalker from Star Wars starts turning evil in episode 2 but doesn't become an antagonist until the second half of episode 3

* Charles Foster Offdensen, the band manager from Metalocalypse. While the band themselves are merely indifferent to human suffering, Offdensen is actively ruthless and vengeful, often solving issues that threaten the band's profitability by having people kidnapped, beaten, or killed

* Randolph Carter from the Cthulhu Mythos. The human sorceror Randolph Carter is basically a part-time villain and minor eldritch abomination in his own right, doing things like posessing a non-antagonistic alien for centuries in Through the Gates of the Silver Key and selling out one group of his allies characters to another group who is at war with them in The Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath.


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But the main one here is GWAR, who are basically an adventuring party
 
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Vic Mackey (The Shield, TV). LE: Mackey is a corrupt and brutal detective in the LAPD. He leads a small anti-gang unit primarily tasked with curbing the rampant drug trade in the fictional Farmington district of Los Angeles. He commits several crimes throughout the series including drug dealing, extortion, police brutality, and murder, always justifying his crimes as a 'means to an end'. He is nonetheless a devoted family man, with a (twisted) sense of honor, who devotes much of his time to controlling everyone and everything around him.

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- Mackey's not a cop. He's Al Capone with a badge. Captain David Aceveda

A man with his own twisted code of honor, who views his extreme measures as OK, as long as his victims are the street thugs he deals with daily, and who sees nothing wrong with 'fighting fire with fire' and who believes the ends justifies the means.

Technically becomes a team killing Jerk when he murders a fellow Cop and one of his friends who was going to turn informant to protect the Strike Team (and himself) from prosecution, but generally works well with his own circle of trusted confidantes and associates, and is the main protagonist of the show.
 

Has anybody mentioned Belkar Bitterleaf from Order of the Stick yet?

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And also the wizard Vaarsuvius, also from Order of the Stick, who at one point in the comic goes mad with power and kills off an enemy's entire extended family using black magic
 
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I know his dream is nothing more sinister than 'to kill all Humans' but reckon I'd have Bender as more CN (E tendencies).

Cant recall him killing people all that often. A total disregard for human life for sure, but he's not much of a killer.


There are at least two episodes where he gets involved with selling children as food (The Cyber House Rules (pictured above) and The Problem With Popplers (although to be fair in The Problem With Popplers it wasn't initially intentional)).

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And there was also this incident:
 
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There are at least two episodes where he gets involved with selling children as food (The Cyber House Rules (pictured above) and The Problem With Popplers (although to be fair in The Problem With Popplers it wasn't initially intentional)).

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And there was also this incident:

Giving the Devil a robot isn't exactly evil though is it?

And not seeing where he actually sold any of the kids as food (the kids all seemed alive and un-eaten so it could have just been an elaborate scam).

Still have Bender CN.

Roger the Alien on the other hand:

In the episode Virtual In-Sanity, Roger ran over and killed five innocent people just because they didn't pay him twenty dollars. It was also revealed he killed six other people just for eighteen dollars. Roger even drove his limo through a plane to kill his last victim, killing an entire planeload of people in the process. When a flight attendant parachuted right beside him and Klaus, he unhooked her parachute and let her fall to her death, claiming to Klaus that he had developed 'the bloodlust'.

And:

In the episode Why Can't We Be Friends?, Roger hires Jeff to clean his attic but, when he goes home he mugs him and he continues to do this many more times. On the second mugging, he was even about to rape Jeff, but decided he didn't have enough time. Jeff also has no idea that Roger is mugging him. However, Roger does get his comeuppance when Jeff finally shoots him. Just before the mugging attempt that led to Jeff shooting him, Roger even decided he would go through with raping Jeff this time.

And:

In the episode A Boy Named Michael, Roger moves into Greg and Terry's home by impersonating their newly-adopted Russian son Michael, whom he threw out of a plane. He later attempts to murder Terry when he becomes unsatisfied with his new lifestyle.

Roger Smith

There was also this:

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CE without any doubt, and a total team killing jerk. He once tried to flay and wear Haleys skin because he loved her, and actually did flay Jeff and wear his skin.

Like Rick Sanchez, not the guy you want in your party of PCs.
 

Giving the Devil a robot isn't exactly evil though is it?

And not seeing where he actually sold any of the kids as food (the kids all seemed alive and un-eaten so it could have just been an elaborate scam).

Still have Bender CN.

Roger the Alien on the other hand:



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Roger Smith

There was also this:

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CE without any doubt, and a total team killing jerk. He once tried to flay and wear Haleys skin because he loved her, and actually did flay Jeff and wear his skin.

Like Rick Sanchez, not the guy you want in your party of PCs.
I do not think rick is that evil, close but he is less team killing or a rapist.
 




Yep. And people in the real world still named their children after her. While the last season could have been done better, Game of Thrones was great long con - many people were fine with Daenerys because she was supposed to be the hero, until she wasn't.
Right, but it was always there, right on the surface basically. There were NO surprises there in what happened when she came back to Westeros. It was more the case that her allies DELUDED themselves into believing that they could turn her around. Of course it didn't help that pretty much all the other leaders in Westeros were even worse than her.
 

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