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Vascant said:
Actually the change has to go deeper then just, new judges.

I don't think the question is new judges; I think it's a matter of more judges, with groups partitioned off to deal with certain categories of submissions.

The existing ones have too much on their plate, imo, being all things to all products.
 

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Anurien said:
Hmmm, well whatever it is I'm sure it's going to be good. Which might worry me, should I be worried? Can you tell me that?

Given what they do, there are a couple of options for them as far as software to release. So only people that need to worry are those who have invested a lot of time and money into something. The rest of gaming will enjoy a new product join the ranks.


Actually you guys probably have a lot of tools needed to create an incredible virtual table.
 

Personally, I think there simply needs to be a completely new category. Best d20 electronic accessory.

I mean come on...it's 2006, half way to 2007...we live and exist in an electronic age.

There are so many electronic accessories that can be used today. RPGX, NPC Designer, PC Gen, eTools, Dunjinni, CC3, d20SRD.org, DMGenie, and the list goes on.
 

talmar said:
Personally, I think there simply needs to be a completely new category. Best d20 electronic accessory.

I mean come on...it's 2006, half way to 2007...we live and exist in an electronic age.

There are so many electronic accessories that can be used today. RPGX, NPC Designer, PC Gen, eTools, Dunjinni, CC3, d20SRD.org, DMGenie, and the list goes on.

Actually after looking over the "Nomination are up" thread, makes more sense just to not enter or get involved. If you look over the Industry pretty much every software company manages their own forums and do rather well with a certain level of activity.
 

talmar said:
Personally, I think there simply needs to be a completely new category. Best d20 electronic accessory.

I mean come on...it's 2006, half way to 2007...we live and exist in an electronic age.

There are so many electronic accessories that can be used today. RPGX, NPC Designer, PC Gen, eTools, Dunjinni, CC3, d20SRD.org, DMGenie, and the list goes on.

The problem being, how many come out every year. Need at least 9 for them to have a catagory. Also, as the other thread mentions, you need to define catagories. Is Best Accessory to be decided based on how useful something is to a game? (And if so, can any particular mini ever win?) or is it based on cuteness or some other esoteric value?
 

Vocenoctum said:
The problem being, how many come out every year. Need at least 9 for them to have a catagory. Also, as the other thread mentions, you need to define catagories. Is Best Accessory to be decided based on how useful something is to a game? (And if so, can any particular mini ever win?) or is it based on cuteness or some other esoteric value?

Or the reverse as in this year, no way for software to win. I am however to a point now that I really don't care what happened this year or even will happen next year. I develop d20 software, while as far as the ENnies are concerned thats a bad thing at present so I will just avoid it all. This is not a bad thing anyways, I can use that time to get more coding done :)

You are incorrect though, the problem is not the numbers that are released because it comes down to having judges who can see the quality of a products work. Everything makes sense as to what happened in the ENnies, with the mini's and the tiles or counters a judge could quickly without even a thought see all of it's worth and in some cases workmanship, that mount and rider mini is pretty nice. Heck, I would have nominated it. Any product like RPGXplorer, PCGen, NPC Designer, CC3 and the countless others would have or will qualify next year forces a judge to look deeper, he has to think maybe even learn a little. This is why I claim entering them in the first place was my error, because this very reasoning is why I do not provide free review copies. (Only exception to this would be someone like Mr Cooper, it is quite clear he is not afraid of the details)

Case in point, the current debate over where Shackled City should be slotted. This is a very good instance of judges not really learning about the material they are judging. Shackled City is a series of Adventures to take a party from 1st-20th level which is now refered to as an Adventure Path, The adventures take place in and around the city named Cauldon which is by default established in the Greyhawk Campaign Setting. They even give helpful advice for placing it within other official settings. So by the product's own wording and usage, it establishes Shackled City is not a setting.

ENnies, quickest way for 5 people to get a ton of free products and not be held accountable.
 

Vascant said:
Given what they do, there are a couple of options for them as far as software to release. So only people that need to worry are those who have invested a lot of time and money into something. The rest of gaming will enjoy a new product join the ranks.

Actually you guys probably have a lot of tools needed to create an incredible virtual table.

Well, DLA is a little smallish as CRPG studios go. (Though Obsidian's NWN2 team is not that much bigger).

By RPG standards? I'd say we're pretty well staffed - and yes it would be fair to say that we have a fair number of tools at our disposal. ;)

Talk is cheap. Let's wait till we get there.
 
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Steel_Wind said:
Well, DLA is a little smallish as CRPG studios go. (Though Obsidian's NWN2 team is not that much bigger).

By RPG standards? I'd say we're pretty well staffed - and yes it would be fair to say that we have a fair number of tools at our disposal. ;)

Talk is cheap. Let's wait till we get there.

I guess my question is not so much what but WHY?!?

*Chuckles*

In my mind it probably will be something very interesting. I do wish you guys luck.
 

Vascant said:
I develop d20 software, while as far as the ENnies are concerned thats a bad thing at present so I will just avoid it all.

THAT, makes no sense. Again, is it so hard to believe that the judges just felt the other products were better? I'm sorry if that's impossible to believe, but that's obviously the case. It doesn't mean software is a BAD thing, it just means the judges felt that of the software entered, there were other, BETTER things.

If that destroys your ego, well, its not their fault.

You are incorrect though, the problem is not the numbers that are released because it comes down to having judges who can see the quality of a products work. Everything makes sense as to what happened in the ENnies, with the mini's and the tiles or counters a judge could quickly without even a thought see all of it's worth and in some cases workmanship, that mount and rider mini is pretty nice. Heck, I would have nominated it. Any product like RPGXplorer, PCGen, NPC Designer, CC3 and the countless others would have or will qualify next year forces a judge to look deeper, he has to think maybe even learn a little. This is why I claim entering them in the first place was my error, because this very reasoning is why I do not provide free review copies. (Only exception to this would be someone like Mr Cooper, it is quite clear he is not afraid of the details)

And how do you know how much time the judges spent looking at each product? You're only assuming that, because you didn't get a nomination, they obviously didn't look at your product for long enough. Can you just not accept that they spent a lot of time with your product(and the other software) and STILL felt that the other products were better?

Case in point, the current debate over where Shackled City should be slotted. This is a very good instance of judges not really learning about the material they are judging. Shackled City is a series of Adventures to take a party from 1st-20th level which is now refered to as an Adventure Path, The adventures take place in and around the city named Cauldon which is by default established in the Greyhawk Campaign Setting. They even give helpful advice for placing it within other official settings. So by the product's own wording and usage, it establishes Shackled City is not a setting.

That has nothing to do with judges not knowing the material. In fact, it has more to do with them knowing it VERY WELL. The current debate is that Shackled City fits into MORE THAN ONE catagory...and it does. The simple fact is that you CAN use Shackled City as a setting very well. Hell, I've seen it done myself, so its not some alien concept.

By this logic, a single adventure cannot be nominated for its artwork...because, obviously, that's not what its about. Its an adventure and nothing else. The art is just there to help the adventure.

ENnies, quickest way for 5 people to get a ton of free products and not be held accountable.

And THAT is just insulting. It just goes to show that you're really simply angry you didn't get a nomination, so you're taking it out on the judges without any real reason for it. You have NO IDEA how much time they spent on your product, so you have no right to assume that just passed it over 'because software is bad'. The judges put in a TON of work for the ENnies to look at EVERYTHING in great detail. They don't just get free stuff and then randomly choose things.

Now...if you'd have gotten a nomination for your product, would you have said ANY of this at all?
 

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