Excerpt: Archons (merged)

[Fallen Seraph]

Interesting mention on how elementals will be composites rather than one pure element.

Fits in with what they were talking about with just one kind of Genasi.

 

[small pumpkin man]

Interesting mention on how elementals will be composites rather than one pure element.

Yes, I'm amused no-one is complaining about that dead cow yet

 

[ProfessorCirno]

It necessitates you buying a second book if you have an obsessive interest in archons. However, nothing necessitates you having an obsessive interest in archons.

Hey, I didn't say I AGREED with it

I'm just trying to reword it. The problem seemed to be "The Monster Manual has a lot of specific info on a small number of monsters, but doesn't give us everything ABOUT those monsters. So if we DO want things either to be complete or get a good WIDE range of monsters, we need to buy a second book."

...I think.

 

[Korgoth]

I don't see why not. Difficult terrain only affects when you step into it, not when you step out of it, and it's only Aura 1. You could shift and then move without provoking, just like normal; you could even shift and then run, moving a total of 5 squares and not provoking.

Are you sure? Let A be a Rimehammer and X be the unlucky target, and * be an ice square:

*****
*AXA*
*****

X cannot shift because all of his options are difficult terrain. X has a move of 2, so he can at most move 1 square in any direction (provoking 2 OAs in the process).

 

[Boarstorm]

Yes, I'm amused no-one is complaining about that dead cow yet

Gah, I certainly won't complain about that one. Elementals were b-o-r-i-n-g. I feared the same would be true of archons, but it looks like they took the theme of their powers and developed them in new and interesting ways instead of just giving them all Immune: element, Vuln: "opposite" element, slam attack.

 

[MindWanderer]

Yes, I'm amused no-one is complaining about that dead cow yet

It's because we haven't seen the implementation yet. I'm generally all on board with the sacred hamburger grinder, but if "true" elementals are blobs of random stuff thrown together, rather than blobs of a single "element" (doesn't have to be a traditional element), then I'll consider it a significant missing... er, element.

 

[ForbidenMaster]

Hey, I didn't say I AGREED with it

I'm just trying to reword it. The problem seemed to be "The Monster Manual has a lot of specific info on a small number of monsters, but doesn't give us everything ABOUT those monsters. So if we DO want things either to be complete or get a good WIDE range of monsters, we need to buy a second book."

...I think.

BTW, I just want to make it clear that I wasnt aiming my post at you, but towards the argument.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

m Short Spear (standard; at-will) ✦ Lightning, Weapon
+25 vs. AC; 2d6 + 7 damage plus 1d6 Lightning damage, and the
target is slowed (save ends). Against a slowed target, the
rimehammer deals an extra 2d6 Lightning damage.

I'd go with ... and the target is dazed (save ends). Against a dazed target ,,, deals an extra 1D6 lighting damage.

I dropped the extra D6 'cause dazed is a bit nastier than slowed.

Just seems more lightning-y to me.

Fitz

 

[ForbidenMaster]

Are you sure? Let A be a Rimehammer and X be the unlucky target, and * be an ice square:

*****
*AXA*
*****

X cannot shift because all of his options are difficult terrain. X has a move of 2, so he can at most move 1 square in any direction (provoking 2 OAs in the process).

But he could take a double move to get out for a total of 4 spaces.


. . X
. . 3
**2**
*A*A*
*****

 

[lutecius]

many things not to like...

- They're way too similar to the angels: both elemental, no legs, single minded. And I thought they wanted to eliminate needless symmetry...

- The name of the alignment is confusing. I get that all the servants of the primordials are CE, but a patient, single-minded guardian doesn't sound chaotic or evil. And it doesn't fit what we've heard of the new alignments either.

- "the archons remain in the service of great powers that reside within the Elemental Chaos: Efreeti pashas, primordial nagas, salamander lords, and not a few demon princes."
Messy. I don't like the idea of demons being lumped with elementals. If anything, I can imagine efreets having ties to devils. Twisted elemental demons I could see (and I think we will see), but I can't picture demons, especially as described in 4e, being served by these stoic elementals.