Excerpt: Paragon paths (merged)

[That One Guy]

Perhaps, it is something where there are Heavy Blades in various proficiencies, so it means that the Warlord can use any Heavy Blades?

Or perhaps... With multiclassing you may not gain access to the Warlord's proficiencies but could say have a feat that allows for Heavy Blades use?

As for number of of paragon paths, I remember them saying 2 dozen.

24 is mathematically sound. It offers 3 paths per class. Or even 2/class and then 8 universal. Even if there are 24 (which sounds like a good number), I hope the DMG offers even more... although I doubt it.

Considering we've already seen the Iron Vanguard, Battle Captain, Battle Archer, Astral Weapon, and a few others in blogs I think its apparent that there's more than 12 paragon paths. I seem to remember hearing 24 at some point. And if they decided to limit each path to only one class then it's possible they've expanded the number further.

You don’t stop being a cleric when you become a radiant servant. 4 + 1 =5. 13>12. Rock and roll. Bold mine.

 

[MaelStorm]

I'm hoping they changed their minds about this. If only 4 paths are unaccounted for, then those 4 paths have to offer something to an awful lot of builds: archer rangers, fey and infernal pact warlocks, and warlords who somehow aren't proficient with heavy blades for starters, then trickster rogues, "pacifist" clerics and wizards, and anyone else who doesn't feel like the fit their class-specific PP. We also know that one PP allows a wizard to use a sword as if it were a wand, and there must be other, similar paths. If they stuck with 12, I think it's going to feel really limiting--you either match the archetype they thought up for you, or you multiclass, foregoing the more potent options, like action point broadening, available to those who stayed within the lines.

I know it's a small sample, but there will be additional paths in future splatbooks, in the Dragon magazine, and future PH, etc. I'm pretty sure EN World will be filled with additional path when the core books will be out.

 

[Colmarr]

Put another way, if an enemy hit you with an Opportunity Attack that beat your AC by 1, and the warpriest's power instead said "you gain a +1 bonus to AC against all opportunity attacks this turn," would you argue that the OA that hit you should be retroactively erased?

That's a straw man. How I would argue about an arbitrary alternate power in no way impacts on the proper interpretation of the power in question.

Having said that, and in answer to your question: no I wouldn't. I'm not sure why. I think largely it would be because turning a hit into a possible miss is too much trouble in terms of the maths and record keeping involved. Adding 5 damage to one character's hits (that happened in the last 2 minutes) is much easier than figuring out which OA hits become misses and which OA inflicted what damage.

I'm already satisfied that I will play this as a "prospective only" power and the damage will not apply retrospectively. However, I'm not satisified that that interpretation is the correct RAW one (and I'm generally a stickler for RAW). Nor am I satisfied that this rule is as clear as it should be.

As a lawyer in RL, I know that clarity is a big deal in law/rule making. Getting this power crystal-clear would have been as simple as inserting the words "until the end of your turn" or "until the start of your next turn" or even substituting the word "After" for the word "When" at the beginning of the power.

 

[Dire Bare]

Considering we've already seen the Iron Vanguard, Battle Captain, Battle Archer, Astral Weapon, and a few others in blogs I think its apparent that there's more than 12 paragon paths. I seem to remember hearing 24 at some point. And if they decided to limit each path to only one class then it's possible they've expanded the number further.

I'm pretty sure that there has been 12 confirmed for the PHB, and at least several of the PHB paths are open to more than one class. So each PHB class should have 2-3 path options out of the 12 paths offered in the PHB. But I'm too lazy to look it up, so no linky for you!

Of course, Paragon Paths look super easy to create, and I'm sure we'll see at least a few in Dragon before the next hardcover even hits the shelves. By the end of the year, we'll be up to our ears in Paragon Paths!!!

 

[Sojorn]

On paragon paths:

Likely 4ish per class.

http://www.gleemax.com/Comms/Pages/Communities/BlogPost.aspx?blogpostid=52842&pagemode=2&blogid=2132

 

[Torchlyte]

Perhaps, it is something where there are Heavy Blades in various proficiencies

Agreed.

Danger Sense — Roll twice for initiative, use the higher result

Seize the Moment Dex Dex 17 Gain combat advantage over foe with lower initiative

Any Rogue that doesn't abuse these should be ashamed of himself. Also, Spider Man.

 

[MaelStorm]

I'm pretty sure that there has been 12 confirmed for the PHB, and at least several of the PHB paths are open to more than one class. So each PHB class should have 2-3 path options out of the 12 paths offered in the PHB. But I'm too lazy to look it up, so no linky for you!

Of course, Paragon Paths look super easy to create, and I'm sure we'll see at least a few in Dragon before the next hardcover even hits the shelves. By the end of the year, we'll be up to our ears in Paragon Paths!!!

It was an old news. Maybe at that time there were only 12 confirmed path but there is now a total of 24.

 

[Colmarr]

Danger Sense — Roll twice for initiative, use the higher result
Seize the Moment Dex Dex 17 Gain combat advantage over foe with lower initiative

Any Rogue that doesn't abuse these should be ashamed of himself. Also, Spider Man.

Yep, one of my co-players has already noticed that combo. Nasty isn't it

 

[ShockMeSane]

24 is mathematically sound. It offers 3 paths per class. Or even 2/class and then 8 universal. Even if there are 24 (which sounds like a good number), I hope the DMG offers even more... although I doubt it.

I could see 24. 1 per class build (16), and 8 general. Sounds reasonable. 40 would be better

 

[Lurker59]

In addition to the eight in the preview there are at least five others in blogs (Iron Vanguard, Battle Captain, Battle Archer, Spellstorm Mage, and Astral Weapon) that are from the PHB (and one, wildfire genasi, which is probably in the FR PHB). So we've already seen 13 from PHB, and I seriously doubt they've shown us all of the paths.