Expeditious Retreat and Fly ...

[Magic Rub]

Silly.

It's the very essence of my existence! ("silly", that is)

 

[Cloudgatherer]

Expeditious Retreat
Problems: Vague

· Vague: The spell itself is simple, yet it does not address how it interacts with other movement forms. Potential questions regarding this spell: Does a monk’s speed double? Does it work with boots of striding and springing? With fly? With natural flight? It is this author’s suggestion that the spell works only with extraordinary or mundane movement. A monk can have his speed increased, up to 100 ft. a round (double his extraordinary maximum speed), a dragon can double his flight speed, but a wizard with a fly spell cannot benefit from the spell nor can one using boots of striding and springing benefit from the spell either.

 

[Baron Von StarBlade]

Re: Re: Re: Your boat, gently down the stream

Which is why I said "generally" and not "always". Incedentally, don't circumstance bonuses stack as well?



But you can. They just don't stack, generally.

I know. . just pointing it out that normally bonuses won't stack unless they are named the same, with a limited number of exceptions (luck, dodge, circumstance, etc).

Also, the Vampire Sorcer could most certainly cast Energy Drain on a target and also use it's SU Energy Drain slam attack on a target, but there is a difference between the two. The spell doesn't give him any hit points. His SU attack does. Also, negative levels stack.

Then let's change Energy Drain with Vampiric Touch. Now you have two abilities that would give the Vampire Hitpoints, one supernatural the other a spell; A little better example since they now affect the caster not the target. I'm not sure if Vampiric Touch is considered Negative Energy (couldn't find any reference in the PHB other than it is of the necromancy domain) but that is beside the point since you have a Supernatural ability and a Spell providing the same benefit to the caster.

So, technically, they're not even apples and oranges, but more like beans and rice.

I would have preferred beans and cornbread

 

[kreynolds]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Your boat, gently down the stream

Then let's change Energy Drain with Vampiric Touch.

OK. That's a better example, since the spell and supernatural ability both function identically, thus the bonuses wouldn't stack.

but that is beside the point since you have a Supernatural ability and a Spell providing the same benefit to the caster.

Exactly. But you can always use both the ability and the spell. There is nothing preventing you from doing so. On the other hand, using both the Vampiric Touch ability and the Vampiric Touch spell on the same target would be no different than just using the spell twice. In either case, neither would stack.

Do you still have a gripe?

I would have preferred beans and cornbread

Hell, I'm from Texas. I should have said that in the first place.

 

[Baron Von StarBlade]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Your boat, gently down the stream

Do you still have a gripe?

Yeah I think they should stack, but again that would be my own house rule

Hell, I'm from Texas. I should have said that in the first place.

Well we all can't be perfect