Extra Spell = Any Spell List?

[Storm Raven]

Yeah. While I happen to agree in this instance, I give the FAQ very little weight, and certainly don't consider it RAW.

In this case, the question is one of interpretation of otherwise poorly defined rules, and hence the FAQ is a good guidepost.

 

[Thia Halmades]

When it contradicts itself, hey, you're stuck. Agreed, my post was poorly written: the FAQ isn't RAW. Moo, moo moo.

I gave this thought over the last couple of days while I was out of town, though.

I'd still do it. *shrug* One feat for one spell? Go nuts. I'd HR this one to allow the spell to come from the Specialists barred list.

LCpt. Thia Halmades

 

[Lord Pendragon]

In this case, the question is one of interpretation of otherwise poorly defined rules, and hence the FAQ is a good guidepost.

*shrug* I disagree. The FAQ isn't good for anything, IMO. If it can't even agree with itself, how am I supposed to believe it is thought-out enough and well-edited enough to provide a clear, useful interpretation of vague rules? Interpreting vague rules is where the FAQ is least useful, IMO, because that's the area which requires the most thought, something the FAQ obviously doesn't invest in any of its rulings.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

I'd still do it. *shrug* One feat for one spell? Go nuts. I'd HR this one to allow the spell to come from the Specialists barred list.

My paladin would love nothing better. I can think of several wizard spells that I'd pay a feat for. And gladly.

 

[KarinsDad]

As for the Arcane Disciple... It's not broken, because you still need the appropriate Wisdom modifier to cast the said spell. So if you've only got a WIS of 14 you're only gonna cast the 4th level spell from the domain AND you can only cast it ONCE a day per level. Whoopie! A sorcerer has the Healing Domain. He still has to have a Wis Score high enough to cast a spell on the list. And he can only cast each spell once per day!

Minor nit.

With a wisdom of 14, he can also cast the 3rd, 2nd, and 1st level spells on the Healing Domain list each once per day as well if he can cast the 4th level spell.

A Periapt of Wisdom +2 will allow up to 6th level spells each once per day, +4 up to 8th level spell, and +6 up to 9th level spell for this character.

This one feat is fairly potent.

 

[Merlion]

As I said, the Feat would be enough to allow a Prohibited Spell IMC. I disallow Arcane Disciple for the exact reason Hypersmurf mentions it; the first thing that sprang to mind when I read it was: "Hey, Sorcerers can take the Healing domain. Gee. That's f'n broken." Wizards /=/ Healers. But I draw a big, fat line between Arcane & Divine magic. That's me. Thanee has a perfectly valid point: the rules can be interpreted as the spells are removed from the Specialist's list, but that's semantics and I haven't seen anything in the SRD that says that exactly. No touchy? That it says. But not that the spell no longer exists on the list. Again, semantics, and her point is totally valid, but now we're getting out of SRD territory and into HR territory.

Crossing the Divine/Arcane barrier? Zephyrus, it's your campaign, dude. If your friend just wants an argument, hey, let him make it. But it seems from here that you're pretty clear on your interpretation of the rule. If you want to allow Arcane Disciple, instead of getting just one prohibited spell, he can get a whole DOMAIN of spells. (Yeah, 9 spells, from a Cleric Domain, for the price of one feat. I say it's grossly unbalanced, but that's me).

So if you're just looking for a way to keep your rules adhering to RAW and canon as much as possible, that's the best (and most immediate) option.

LCpt. Thia Halmades

One note about this: If you dont want to allow a feat that gives Wizards and Sorcerers access to spells on the Cleric list, you should also disallow Feats like Domain Spontaneity that give Clerics greater access to spells on the Wizard/Sorcerer list.

Indeed if your going to draw the line that heavy, you may want to redo Domains and disallow Clerics accessing any primarily "Wizard" spells.

It should really work both ways. Especially considering that a Wizards spells are all they have

 

[KarinsDad]

One note about this: If you dont want to allow a feat that gives Wizards and Sorcerers access to spells on the Cleric list, you should also disallow Feats like Domain Spontaneity that give Clerics greater access to spells on the Wizard/Sorcerer list.

Indeed if your going to draw the line that heavy, you may want to redo Domains and disallow Clerics accessing any primarily "Wizard" spells.

It should really work both ways. Especially considering that a Wizards spells are all they have

Agreed.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

With regard to the Extra Spell feat, it does not allow prohibited spells, even though Arcane Disciple does. I could see a DM house rule it to allow it a similar amount of power and flexibility.