Falcon and winter solider

[MoonSong]

That's great for you. However, it is actually pretty real, and calling it cartoonish is kind of dismissive of the people who live under the burden of it, you know?

I'm sorry if it came that way. I was trying to say that ones context shapes the perception of this scene. It seems to come as realistic and subtle to its main intended audience (America). However it comes to me as extremely heavy handed and borderline cartoonish -because I'm not American and I have a different context-. Not because we don't have racism in here, but rather because it takes different forms and it is harder to notice if you are not paying attention (in a way it is more devilish because it is well hidden).

All this shows is that I'm part of a secondary audience and I can't fully get it the way it is meant to be understood. This is probably the last I'll talk about this episode then. Sorry for the inconveniences.

 

[trappedslider]

If that's what it takes to get the portion of the audience that wants to twist, turn, squirm, deny, and apply spurious logic and hyperbole to deny some realities to stop avoiding them... I'd be okay with that.

I honestly don't have an issue with it, I'm just wondering if we as geeks/nerds who try to see if everything means something, when sometimes it's not meant to mean anything at all are going a bit far. There's a line in a John Varley novel in which the main character is half-Cuban starts blaming racism and his mom says "once you start down that road, it's all you ever see"

If you go back and just listen to the whole bank encounter, it comes across as the banker having stars in his eyes, while also attempting to do his job, and Sam coming across as hoping a bit that his celebrity status would help. But when you watch the same bit, you naturally wonder how much does skin color/sexism factor in.

I feel right in thinking ,that if the loan had been evaluated on character alone and not whatever new rules are in place for SBA loans, they would have gotten it with Sam being there. At least that's what the dialogue suggest to me.

 

[MarkB]

I feel right in thinking ,that if the loan had been evaluated on character alone and not whatever new rules are in place for SBA loans, they would have gotten it with Sam being there. At least that's what the dialogue suggest to me.

Sam thought they had a good chance of getting the loan. His sister thought they didn't. If we give them both the benefit of assuming they're well informed, that would suggest that their case was borderline, with Sam thinking his higher profile would push them over the border, while his sister thought they'd fall under it, whether due to systematic bias or for other reasons.

 

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Sam thought they had a good chance of getting the loan. His sister thought they didn't. If we give them both the benefit of assuming they're well informed, that would suggest that their case was borderline, with Sam thinking his higher profile would push them over the border, while his sister thought they'd fall under it, whether due to systematic bias or for other reasons.

Well Sam did say that they qualified for the SBA and the banker corrected him saying "under the old rules" which I'm thinking meant under the old rules they would have gotten the loan with Sam's push.

 

[MarkB]

Well Sam did say that they qualified for the SBA and the banker corrected him saying "under the old rules" which I'm thinking meant under the old rules they would have gotten the loan with Sam's push.

There's no real way for us to tell, though. We don't even know whether "the old rules" means pre-Blip, or during the Blip, or last week before they changed them yet again.

 

[Older Beholder]

It’s not just the bank scene, earlier when Sam gets told that things got better for some people during the blip he responses that that usually means things always get worse for somebody else.

Before going for the loan he tells his sister he looked into the loan and it wouldn’t be a problem (I can’t remember the exact quotes) he also makes some comment about him knowing how to deal with white people.

When the bank manager tells them about the rule change he goes on to make some comment about everyone feeling the squeeze, and Sams sister says it’s funny who always seems get squeezed.

Sure, the bank guy doesn’t do anything you can point to, I think that’s part of the point. The idea of inequality growing during the blip are evident throughout the episode and inform the bank scene.

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I enjoyed the first episode even though I can’t help feeling a little underwhelmed, it’s the Marvel TV series I was least interested in, so there is that, also following WandaVision is a hard ask. I was expecting more of an action/comedy, but I don’t mind that they’re dealing with some bigger themes as well. It already feels more political than Marvel usually go.

 

[Marc_C]

If that's what it takes to get the portion of the audience that wants to twist, turn, squirm, deny, and apply spurious logic and hyperbole to deny some realities to stop avoiding them... I'd be okay with that.

That would have the opposite effect. It would just reinforce denier's bias that mainstream media is inclusive propaganda and disconnected from reality.

 

[Marc_C]

Sam/Falcon should do a Gofundme! Problem solved... but the writers didn't do that because it doesn't serve their narrative needs.
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So back to saying what you like about the show:

Bucky was shown to be at the bottom of the barrel but working hard to make amends. Sam who started as a dogooder character, that nothing can stop, took two psychological blows starting his descent from super hero nirvana that deals in absolutes.

My intuition is that this will be a secondary arc story to the show. Bucky will continue climbing out and Sam will likely fall further. They will meet half point psychologically and help each other out.

 

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Something that no one picked up on or has talked about here is that Bucky was sleeping on the floor, which calls back to Sam's and Rogers conversation about coming back from a tour.

 

[Umbran]

That would have the opposite effect. It would just reinforce denier's bias that mainstream media is inclusive propaganda and disconnected from reality.

An expression of what I'd be comfortable with does not imply a belief that it would, in fact, work out that way. But thanks.