Falcon and winter solider

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[Tonguez]

Replying to you and the others who quoted me or mentioned this, I would have to go back and look at the official MCU stuff, but he was obviously active in all decades since the 40's. The question is how active, or how long he was allowed out to do his crimes? From what I can see, yes, he was cryogenically frozen, but only in between all the assassination missions he was given. So the real question is how many of those was he sent on? How many of the 50 years he was a Hydra assassin were spent frozen and how many were spent in training and on missions? Definitely not as many as Steve spent frozen. Bucky is 106, and the actor is 38, but looks younger than that. So even if Bucky spent 40 years total on ice of those 50, if there was no delayed aging from the serum, he should be played by an actor who looks 60-65 years old. Maybe instead of the freezing preventing the serum from halting aging, it did the opposite. Maybe Bucky and Steve stayed younger longer because the freezing enhanced the serum, rather than inhibited it.

Captain America was around 40 when he went back in time to 1949 and settled down with Peggy Carter, aging up the long way from there.
That means he did 70 years on ice and then another 70 years ‘normal’ aging - so he’s lived for 180 years, 70 years longer than Bucky.

Isaiah was active during the Korean War which was 68 years ago, he then aged up normally (no ice) from there. If he was in his 30ish in 1951 he’s be in his 80 - 90’s now, so even if he does look old it does seem that the serum has worked to keep him strong and healthy

 

[MarkB]

Some interesting worldbuilding in this episode.

 

[Staffan]

It's ironic that Charles Xavier's Korean War service (along with his stepbrother's) is largely downplayed and ignored while Magneto's formative years in the Holocaust are not. They really won't be able to keep Magneto's origins fixed there for much longer-- he should already be at least in his nineties, and they have already cloned and/or de-aged him at least once.

These days they have miracle medicines on Krakoa plus a resurrection system that can reset people's age, so I think they're good. One of Krakoa's main exports is a drug that can take 5 years off a human's age, so who knows what sort of good stuff they're keeping to themselves?

Charles has also been cloned twice. The first was at the end of the Brood saga back in the 80s, and the second is a little more complicated. A few years back, when Cyclops had the Phoenix Force, Scott killed Charles. Some time later, Charles' mind returned in Fantomex's body, but then that body got killed at the start of the Dawn of X comics. At that point, they cloned Charles' original body and re-inserted his mind into that, so now he's back in his own youthful body.

Also, Charles' service in the Korean War isn't a core element of his character, the way Magneto's experiences in Auschwitz are. The temple where Cain became the Juggernaut and Charles lost the use of his legs could be anywhere — the Korean war was just the excuse for putting Charles and Cain on the scene, not important in itself.

Magneto's a little weirder, because as you say he got reset to early adulthood (let's call it 20 for good measure) at some point. In the comics, this was in the 70s, but on account of sliding timescale it could really have been in the 80s or 90s as well. So assume he's 15-20 at the end of WW2, which would make him about 65-70 in the 90s (old, but not so old that he can't be active), at which point he gets reset back to 20. That'd make him biologically about 50 now. If you put his reboot in the 80s instead, now he's pushing 60.

But age has always been a really weird thing in Marvel. The worst example is Franklin Richards, who was born in the 60s, canonically 5 at the time of Onslaught (mid-90s), and 8 from at least 2004 to 2014. Now he's been aged up to a teen, though.

 

[Marc_C]

Somehow I missed this, and I'd like to comment...

Modern racism uses exactly what you are saying as an excuse to deny it exists! The show is demonstrating to the audience how people who don't actually say or directly indicate, "I dislike you for the color of your skin," still are part of a cultural system that keeps people of color at a disadvantage.

The actual point is that the banker can argue to himself that there was nothing wrong with what happened!

Nothing so obvious of course. Thanks for the mansplaining.

 

[Umbran]

What is 25-ish? The year?

The difference between the actor's age, and what we'd expect the character's apparent age to be.

 

[Umbran]

But age has always been a really weird thing in Marvel. The worst example is Franklin Richards, who was born in the 60s, canonically 5 at the time of Onslaught (mid-90s), and 8 from at least 2004 to 2014. Now he's been aged up to a teen, though.

There's also the Kitty Pryde/Rogue issue. Nominally, the two come into comics near the same tiem, and the same age - their mid-teens. However, very shortly Rogue is 21+, while Kitty remains 14 for a decade and more.

 

[Umbran]

Nothing so obvious of course. Thanks for the mansplaining.

And thank you for your dismissiveness. It'll help others to know.

 

[hopeless]

And they haven't introduced the Mutants yet!
So lets assume Magneto hails from Yugoslavia prior to its collapse in 1995 and make it more about that period instead?

 

[billd91]

And they haven't introduced the Mutants yet!
So lets assume Magneto hails from Yugoslavia prior to its collapse in 1995 and make it more about that period instead?

Because that's no where near as compelling as him being a survivor of the Holocaust, certainly not in formulating his worries about how humanity will treat mutants if he doesn't prevent it (in his own twisted way). Making Magneto a Holocaust survivor firmly put him in a very interesting narrative space. When he debuted, he was just some megalomaniac for mutantkind without any real insight into why. First the introduction of his lost wife Magda and then defining him as a Holocaust survivor really (and ironically) humanized him. His identity as a comic book villain took on a lot more depth.
I'm not sure the traumatic breakup of Yugoslavia carries the same weight. Balkan instability is working for Wanda, but Magneto would kind of suggest a higher order of magnitude.