Fan Film: GRAYSON (Dick Grayson aka Robin/Nightwing)

[Barendd Nobeard]

Reply to Barend Nobeard's question:

Thanks!

 

[BiggusGeekus]

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But with the success of X-men, I do believe it's possible to do superhero movies with lots of characters.

You can but (the following is not really a spoiler, but I like using the tag) ->

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you have to go light on character development. You basically have to have the characters bounce off each other and see what happens. Look at X2. Nobody grew. They just reacted to each other. Even that fire-control brat didn't evolve. He just did what he was probably going to do anyway only now he's doing it with Magneto.

So, have as many characters as you want. Just don't focus on character growth at all or at least only do it with one of the characters.

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[Barendd Nobeard]

You can but (the following is not really a spoiler, but I like using the tag) ->

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you have to go light on character development. You basically have to have the characters bounce off each other and see what happens. Look at X2. Nobody grew. They just reacted to each other. Even that fire-control brat didn't evolve. He just did what he was probably going to do anyway only now he's doing it with Magneto.

So, have as many characters as you want. Just don't focus on character growth at all or at least only do it with one of the characters.

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Or

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you have to make a 10 hour movie.

 

[WizarDru]

That was one sweet promo. I really think that it outshines the World's Finest trailer, too. Anyone notice Green Lantern in there, too? There have been plenty of good Batman movies with multiple characters....they just happen to all have been animated. My wife picked up "Mystery of the Batwoman" yesterday, and I watched it with the kids. Great stuff, that.

The trick is not to avoid characterization or growth, but to pick your characters for it, carefully. In X2, it's clearly a film about Wolverine and to a lesser degree, Iceman. Everyone else is carrying the plot forward. If Grayson were a real film, it's obvious it's about him and Superman, primarily.

And I have to agree: Best. Joker. EVAR. That shot of him with the rain dripping off of his hat, or coming down the escalator with machine-guns blazing? Awesome.

 

[buzzard]

Actually I'm going to have to say I prefered the World's Finest. This one started out quite well, but by the end it felt like that were throwing everything but the kitchen sink in. I mean sure, I can deal with Supes being there . It's homage to DKR, but tossing in WW and GL was gratuitous.

World's Finest seemed better since it was restrained.

buzzard

 

[ShadowX]

You can but (the following is not really a spoiler, but I like using the tag) ->

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you have to go light on character development. You basically have to have the characters bounce off each other and see what happens. Look at X2. Nobody grew. They just reacted to each other. Even that fire-control brat didn't evolve. He just did what he was probably going to do anyway only now he's doing it with Magneto.

So, have as many characters as you want. Just don't focus on character growth at all or at least only do it with one of the characters.

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Yes but this works because they are established characters. This is what most comics do after all.

 

[Klaus]

I'll also chime in and say that although Dick Grayson is my favorite character, World's Finest was better. And had a better Superman.

And why, WHY must they always make Supes into

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a bad guy???

 

[WizarDru]

I'll also chime in and say that although Dick Grayson is my favorite character, World's Finest was better. And had a better Superman.

And why, WHY must they always make Supes into

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a bad guy???

I think what you really mean is why why must they always

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turn Supes into a dupe for powerful political forces, because they always represent his code as being so unbending that he ends up working for the bad guys by default???

Personally, I thought Grayson was a trailer for a better movie. I was much more interested in the plot of Grayson than World's Finest, which I also think was pretty good (I mean, let's be clear here: I think both were fantastic achievements). World's Finest seemed more like an homage to the classic concept of a superman/batman teamup...do we really need to see Lois Lane in peril again? I think the animate World's Finest covered the territory better. I was somewhat disappointed in World's Finest's Two Face...although I think their Lex was quite good. For the budget they must have had (or not had, as the case may be), the flight special effect was fun, and not half-bad. I think World's Finest did an excellent job of mimicing Alex Ross' artwork.

 

[Klaus]

Exactly, WizarDru!

Personally, I think that Two-Face is a more likely ally for Lex than the Joker (who is too unpredictable for ol' Baldy). And actually _recreating_ several Alex Ross panels (like sitting in the chair with glasses on and the open shirt showing the uniform) was a masterstroke!