Farewell to thee D&D

[The Little Raven]

Like I said, I'm not looking for argument. I'm looking for some people who might feel as I do.

It sounds like you should be doing a blog with comments moderated so you can only acknowledge the comments that agree with you, instead of posting on a discussion forum and saying you don't want people with dissenting opinions discussing your post.

 

[Crothian]

I will play older editions. It was more a matter of no more new books to buy and no more looking forward to new materials. That was a part of D&D to me.

You own all the books for all the older editions? Remember if you haven't read it: It's new to you!!

 

[Celtavian]

DO you have all the 3.5 books? There were an awful lot of them. Plus there's hundreds more from third party publishers. I reckon there's enough out there to keep you buying for years to come!

Yes, I have all of them. I have some third party materials.

I think one of my friends will stay with 3E or the new Pathfinder.

That is another thing. My group has moved to 4E. Most of them like it. I don't want to be a disruption to them since they don't like it. So I may have to find a new gaming group, something I haven't done for 10 years or more. It is going to be strange to see all my friends move onto the new edition while I try to get something going with the old one.

I appreciate you not being insulting. I wasn't looking for a war. I'm sure more than me understand what is like to do a hobby for 25 years and have that hobby change in such a dramatic fashion.

 

[Celtavian]

I think you missed the point in which the rules are made for Creature or NPC against PC combat. If you want the rules to be used for Creature against Creature or NPC, then it doesn't matter one bit what the rules say.

If you need that dragon to take a mile long breath against that minion army of Hobgoblins and do 500 HP of damage, then do it. Because in the end it has absolutely no relevance to the players. But if you want the Dragon to breath on the PC's then the breath will be X squares wide and do NdX + Y damage.

Once again because combat rules are designed for PC vs. Creature combat and not for Creature vs. Creature simulation.

You are correct. I understand this conceptually. I just don't like it. I understand that 4E wants you to handwave such sites as dragon decimating an army and only look at its stats in regard to player versus player creating encounters around challenging the players.

Alot of people don't mind the hand waving of such things, but I prefer the power be able to do what I tell the players it can do. If that means decimating a hobgoblin army, I want that breath weapon to be able to decimate all the hobgoblin grunts, soldiers, warchiefs, and whatever else travels with it. It's what I prefer.

I guess it comes down to whether you like a gamist philosophy versus a realistic simulation philsophy. I freely admit I fall on the side of realistic simuation insofar as that is possible in a fantasy RPG.

 

[Celtavian]

It sounds like you should be doing a blog with comments moderated so you can only acknowledge the comments that agree with you, instead of posting on a discussion forum and saying you don't want people with dissenting opinions discussing your post.

Well, if you want to dissent in this post, feel free. I'm not going to argue my opinion with someone who disagrees. This post wasn't meant to make people turn away from 4E or argue the merits of it.

This is a post from a person who has done a hobby for 25 years that has now changed so much he no longer feels a part of that hobby, at least in terms of what is being put out by the main company that publishes the rulebooks. I have been coming to EN world since it was owned by Eric Noah, whose initials are the source of EN I believe. It is one of the only places I know where a ton of gamers hang out. I have read the stories here and here and there chatted with other gamers on the site. As far as D&D goes, this the main site I go to for news and gamer chat.

So I would rather post this where I might find a few people to commiserate with that have played as long as I have rather than some nameless Blog I start that no one knows about.

 

[Celtavian]

You own all the books for all the older editions? Remember if you haven't read it: It's new to you!!

Yep. I own all 3.5. I owned all the 2nd edition books and most of the boxed sets before I moved on to 3E.

 

[Keefe the Thief]

Yes, I have all of them. I have some third party materials.

I think one of my friends will stay with 3E or the new Pathfinder.

That is another thing. My group has moved to 4E. Most of them like it. I don't want to be a disruption to them since they don't like it. So I may have to find a new gaming group, something I haven't done for 10 years or more. It is going to be strange to see all my friends move onto the new edition while I try to get something going with the old one.

I appreciate you not being insulting. I wasn't looking for a war. I'm sure more than me understand what is like to do a hobby for 25 years and have that hobby change in such a dramatic fashion.

It´s always sad when a game you´ve been anticipating does not turn out to be your cup of tea. I do not understand most of your issues, but sure do accept that they are grave enough to stay away from 4e. Hopefully, you´ll find a new group that shares your playstyle.

But yeah, the hobby has changed, and 4e reflected some of those changes. It´s really these day´s D&D. That´s the first thing i thought when i read the books.

 

[Charwoman Gene]

Does that mean you'll never post something as long as this again?

Wow, what free time you must have. Good luck with WOW. I hope your fam,ily relationships survive it. Oh, and don't argue with me, I forbid it.

 

[Celtavian]

Good for you. Enjoy whatever gaming-or-nongaming activity you'd normally devote D&D time to. Learn a craft. Run for local office. Spend time with your friends or family.

Just don't sit on the internet throwing out the same tired "reasons" for why D&D isn't D&D and how Wizards killed your childhood.

You get off on being rude? You gotta be one of those immature posters that gets off on being rude. Why else waste time to post on a thread that doesn't matter to you and has no meaning?

When someone posts an opinion, you are under no obligation to respond to it. I fail to see why you would take the time to save that you get off on being rude. Enjoy taking the shots. I don't care. This wasn't posted for guys like you, and I didn't even expect you to read it and respond. I don't understand why the first paragraph doesn't clearly delineate that this post isn't for or directed at people that like 4E.

It has nothing to do with you. So why you posting?

 

[Celtavian]

Does that mean you'll never post something as long as this again?

Wow, what free time you must have. Good luck with WOW. I hope your fam,ily relationships survive it. Oh, and don't argue with me, I forbid it.

If I didn't care about D&D, I wouldn't have taken the time I did to write the post. And I imagine anyone who plays D&D has quite a bit of free time. It takes far longer to create and run an adventure than to write a post a few pages long.