Feeling short changed by 4th Ed.

[Imaro]

In 3e, a fighter with an ax is identical in all ways to a fighter with a sword, except in a minor detail of his critical hit math that actually comes out to the same thing in the long term.

In 4e, this is not the case.

I don't know what the final conclusion ought to be with all this counting up options and whatnot, but I do know that this should count for something.

Before I comment on this I want to make sure I understand your reasoning... could you expound on what creates these differences in 4e between the two fighters?

 

[delericho]

I guess WotC just learned about it this year as well, since the 3.5 books don't have this disparity... just something else we got less of in 4e.

I feel compelled, in the name of fairness, to point out that the 3.0e PHB had far more pages than either the 3.0e DMG or MM. And likewise the 2nd Edition PHB had more pages than the 2nd Edition DMG (the 2nd Edition Monstrous Compendium was a bit of an odd case, being in that folder, so I don't know how many pages were in that first release).

 

[The Little Raven]

I guess WotC just learned about it this year as well, since the 3.5 books don't have this disparity... just something else we got less of in 4e.

I guess you don't pay attention to economics in the world, since the price of paper and fuel has been going up steadily in the past five years, which has a direct impact on books.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I don't recall assigning any intent or motivation to you. Did I call you a fanboy of some kind, or suggest that you're an idiot or something, like you did to me?

Apparently our definitions of "assigning intent or motivation" are different. Not very surprised. You assigned quite a number of other intents to me too, but honestly, I could care less about guys one the internets assigning me intents unless they're like 180 degrees contrary to what I'm saying

 

[AllisterH]

Er, I've thought we hashed this out before?

If you were a spellcaster in previous editions, you got gimped in 4E whereas if you were a melee class, you make out like a bandit in 4E.

 

[Imaro]

I guess you don't pay attention to economics in the world, since the price of paper and fuel has been going up steadily in the past five years, which has a direct impact on books.

Yep, I pay attention, but I'm a consumer and I want the best value for my dollar. Other roleplaying games give more in less space (how about dropping the font one size WotC) so it's really a matter of asking myself... at this cost for these pages (which the supplements will probabbly have considerably less of since they aren't corebooks) am I getting my money's worth. I don't feel I did or that I am likely to in the future.

 

[Imaro]

Er, I've thought we hashed this out before?

If you were a spellcaster in previous editions, you got gimped in 4E whereas if you were a melee class, you make out like a bandit in 4E.

Not sure if this is referencing my question to Cadfan... but this has nothing to do with what he stated, powers are all used the same for different weapons, so I'm wondering how does an axe fighter vs. sword fighter differentiate himself in a way beyond that?

 

[AllisterH]

Not sure if this is referencing my question to Cadfan... but this has nothing to do with what he stated, powers are all used the same for different weapons, so I'm wondering how does an axe fighter vs. sword fighter differentiate himself in a way beyond that?

Er, no their not.

To use a 3.5 example, you know the feats that were in the 3.5 PHB II that allowed specialized fighters to get cool tricks using specific types of weapons?

That's what the power/exploit system is like for fighters.

 

[Imaro]

Er, no their not.

To use a 3.5 example, you know the feats that were in the 3.5 PHB II that allowed specialized fighters to get cool tricks using specific types of weapons?

That's what the power/exploit system is like for fighters.

But they aren't weapon dependant... a sword fighter can use the same exploits as an axe fighter... What differentiates these two was the question, not what differentiates them from spellcasters.

 

[Scribble]

But they aren't weapon dependant... a sword fighter can use the same exploits as an axe fighter... What differentiates these two was the question, not what differentiates them from spellcasters.

The effects of the exploits change depending on what weapion is being used.

Example:

Crushing Blow Fighter Attack 3

Weapon: If you’re wielding an axe, a hammer, or a mace, you gain a bonus to the damage roll equal to your Constitution modifier.