Feminist adventures?

[WizarDru]

And that's without addressing the multitude of WW spanking or getting spanked by other women.

I wonder if this has more to do with cultural norms of the 1940s/1950s. Showing women punching each other bloody was not really something you could expect to see in a Golden Age (or rarely Silver Age) comic (and men punching women even less so). While WMM may have guided the stories to that end for his own personal preferences, this was probably considered one of the more legitimate displays of chastising a female antagonist.

For example:

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Maybe si, maybe no- but again, if you look in those early WW stories, there is a LOT of spanking going on...sometimes in conjunction with the bondage.

 

[pawsplay]

Hmm.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Hmm.

You ever see the WW2 era Batman serials? They change into costume in the back seat of cars. On the street. Without benefit of tinted windows. With bouncy shock absorbers.

Amazing they never got picked up for "Lewd & Lacivious behavior", "Indecent Exposure" and a whole bunch more besides.

Seriously though, corporal punishment for kids was pretty popular the era of hat snippet- and Dick Grayson became Robin about age 12 or 13, and remained in that role for 6 years before changing to Nightwing.

 

[Jon_Dahl]

After a week of uninspired writing, I started my "feminist adventure" yesterday and so far my players have enjoyed it. Just to make things easier for my players, I introduced two adventures to them and they had to make choice. The other choice was more traditional adventuring, but women's rights won. Let's hope this will continue as well as it started.

 

[nedjer]

After a week of uninspired writing, I started my "feminist adventure" yesterday and so far my players have enjoyed it. Just to make things easier for my players, I introduced two adventures to them and they had to make choice. The other choice was more traditional adventuring, but women's rights won. Let's hope this will continue as well as it started.

Clearly way more wholesome than Batman

 

[ThatGuyThere]

Maybe si, maybe no- but again, if you look in those early WW stories, there is a LOT of spanking going on...sometimes in conjunction with the bondage.

Out of curiosity, Danny -

If everything <in> the comics was exactly identical, but the author / creator was <female>, would you be able to accept the thesis? ("Wonder Woman was created as a feminist icon")

If everything about the <creator> were exactly the same - but the creator was female - would you be able to accept the thesis?

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Out of curiosity, Danny -

If everything <in> the comics was exactly identical, but the author / creator was <female>, would you be able to accept the thesis? ("Wonder Woman was created as a feminist icon")

If everything about the <creator> were exactly the same - but the creator was female - would you be able to accept the thesis?

Hmmm...

I know that, for some, the fact that Marston was male makes his taste for women in bondage automatically suspect in exactly the same way as- a subset of really- porn produced by men, and that the same product produced by women would be more acceptable. (I even mentioned this upthread.)

I've never found that to be all that convincing a line of reasoning, and don't find it so here. I think there is an inherent conflict in the message presented in an empowered feminist icon being so frequently depicted in bondage.

 

[ThatGuyThere]

I think there is an inherent conflict in the message presented in an empowered feminist icon being so frequently depicted in bondage.

I think it would be ... interesting... to retroactively change her weakness to "green rocks". I don't doubt the author-appeal in the weakness she had, but similarly, he'd probably seen (or, vividly imagined) "strong women" brought 'low' in this way, thus inspiring her weakness.

And I don't accept your counter-thesis that in order to find BDSM material(s) appealing you ... ... well, I guess, your thesis is, "you have to feel a certain specific way about women". I simply reject that out of hand based on (not personal personal) personal experience.

I suspect you and I will have to cheerfully disagree on this.

 

[jonesy]

I thought WW tied people up just as much as she got tied?