Paul Farquhar
Legend
It's the DM's job to make sure the game if fun irrespective of the outcome of a skill roll.
It seems a bit silly to go out for an evening's entertainment and have fun/not have fun hinge on a random dice roll....
D&D 5E Fixing the Fighter: The Zouave
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It seems a bit silly to go out for an evening's entertainment and have fun/not have fun hinge on a random dice roll....
Arnwolf666
Adventurer
People act like the fighter doesn’t get 4 skills like everyone else, 5 of human. And a feat if you use them just might help with that too.
Garthanos
Arcadian Knight
Oh right its rocket science???? sheesh oh my gosh what a great comparison
Garthanos
Arcadian Knight
Not the question asked at all
Tony Vargas
Legend
The random element is certainly one aspect of fun. Mostly, though, in a cooperative game, the central aspect is contributing to the overall success of the party - it's about as close as you can come to explicitly 'winning' the game, the party succeeds at it's goal (at least, the current stage in it, like, defeating enemies in the current combat, or getting past the current obstacle or whatever).
I think what you're focusing on is another aspect of fun, I'd call it 'engagement.' And, yes, if a given player's character has no relevant/meaningful mechanical contribution to make, it does fall mainly on the DM (though the other players can help) to keep him engaged. It doesn't mean that a class design that leaves the player who chooses it with few or minimal contributions to make in two of the three pillars is "just fine" it just means that the DM & players can have fun, in spite of that deficiency.
The fact that a lot of us have been doing that for decades doesn't mean everyone should always have to do it. (OK, it totally does mean exactly that, but maybe it shouldn't.)
Paul Farquhar
Legend
Yes it was. Skill Roll succeeds = players have fun. Skill roll fails= players have fun. Players are incompetent = players have fun (because they don't come to be judged on their skill).
Arnwolf666
Adventurer
I really like building encounters that are not solved with die rolls. I think many are just too dependent on that.
Flying cars are not rocket science, they just aren't practical.
As far as the issue there is a simple solution. Allow feats, take the proficiency feat. Problem solved. Except you won't accept that option.
Paul Farquhar
Legend
Rocket science really aint that difficult.
Garthanos
Arcadian Knight
shush the so faked that moon landing
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