Flurry of Touch Attacks

[Hypersmurf]

Not being snide here; where does it say that won't work?

Under Actions in Combat in the PHB.

Holding the Charge: If you don’t discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the discharge of the spell (hold the charge) indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates. Alternatively, you may make a normal unarmed attack (or an attack with a natural weapon) while holding a charge. In this case, you aren’t considered armed and you provoke attacks of opportunity as normal for the attack. (If your unarmed attack or natural weapon attack doesn’t provoke attacks of opportunity, neither does this attack.) If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack or natural weapon and the spell discharges. If the attack misses, you are still holding the charge.

If your normal unarmed attack misses, you are still holding the charge.

-Hyp.

 

[moritheil]

So, my hunch was right. Hypersmurf strikes again! Thanks, Hyp!

 

[Ninja-to]

Hold on hold on. You can't deliver a touch attack with an unarmed strike, as far as I remember. It's stated in the FAQ I believe.

EDIT: Oh wow. NVM Hypersmurf you cleared it up. DAMN! My old rat bastard DM fooled me again!

 

[Felon]

Note that the very tactic discussed here is basically the main point of the Sacred Fist Prc.

 

[Ninja-to]

Wait I think I know where I got confused.

Is it true you can't do unarmed strikes / energy drain / touch attack spells with the same attack? I think it came up once where there was an NPC Vampire Monk. The question was can it do energy drain while doing unarmed strikes.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Is it true you can't do unarmed strikes / energy drain / touch attack spells with the same attack? I think it came up once where there was an NPC Vampire Monk. The question was can it do energy drain while doing unarmed strikes.

Energy Drain (Su): Living creatures hit by a vampire’s slam attack (or any other natural weapon the vampire might possess) gain two negative levels.

An unarmed strike is not a natural weapon.

You can deliver a touch spell with an unarmed strike, but you need to hit normal AC rather than touch AC. But a vampire's energy drain won't trigger off an unarmed strike.

-Hyp.

 

[godfear]

Energy Drain (Su): Living creatures hit by a vampire’s slam attack (or any other natural weapon the vampire might possess) gain two negative levels.

An unarmed strike is not a natural weapon.

You can deliver a touch spell with an unarmed strike, but you need to hit normal AC rather than touch AC. But a vampire's energy drain won't trigger off an unarmed strike.

-Hyp.

The sample Elite Vampire from the MM seems to disagree. It includes Energy Drain with the damage part of the Unarmed Strike attack entry.

 

[Hypersmurf]

The sample Elite Vampire from the MM seems to disagree. It includes Energy Drain with the damage part of the Unarmed Strike attack entry.

Incorrectly, it would seem

Support from the 3.5 Main FAQ, p6 (for what that's worth):
It’s worth noting here that a vampire monk using its unarmed strike ability is not using its slam attack and cannot drain energy.

-Hyp.

 

[Diirk]

As a monks unarmed strike is treated both as a manufactured and a natural weapon for purposes of spells and effects, would not it count as a natural weapon for the Energy Drain effect ?

Its a whole lot less shaky than trying to count it as a natural weapon for the purposes of feat prerequisites which half the board seems to be hell bent on doing so they can exploit Improved Natural Attack for their monks...

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

As a monks unarmed strike is treated both as a manufactured and a natural weapon for purposes of spells and effects, would not it count as a natural weapon for the Energy Drain effect ?

Sure, if you had a spell that energy drained a natural weapon.