For everyone who piles on Avalanche for their covers, please look

[King_Stannis]

Re: Re: Grrrrrr....

Well, you would be wrong.

I agree that it is tasteless to use half-naked women on covers and I tend to avoid such products. I have yet to buy an avalanche product, and will not be purchasing Demon God's Fane- though I had planned on it.

I like looking at beautiful women, but I don't buy gaming products for beautiful women. Such covers are usually a sign of odd priorities, and brings the quality of the product into question.

However- I will call someone a hypocrite when they are one- even if I agree with them. Otherwise, I would be a hypocrite.

My stance is "context" is a nice little rationalization for hypocritical behavior.

If you think a naked demon women is not titilation because it is mythological, then I question your resolve on your stance.

"Context" should never be used to find acceptance of questionable behavior/events.


FD

Thank you, FD. That means more coming from you than it ever would from me. As I’ve said, I don’t believe that cheesecake is demeaning to women. But the people who find avalanche so distasteful must find cheesecake art demeaning to women, otherwise we would not be having this discussion. Here are a few earlier quotes on this thread. I’ve substituted for the word “cheesecake” the definition of that word according to those who dislike avalanche’s covers.



It's not about * art that degrades women *. It's about using *art that degrades women * … properly. In a fitting context.



Well, as noted in another post, Monte's cover was an action scene with * art that degrades women *.



Does that not demonstrate my point? Context schmontext. Either you see something as right or wrong. Two covers, both wanting the same goal and using similar methods – hot chicks who are scantily clad. One just happens to have a monster on it’s cover.

Sorry, but to me it just sounds like a way for those people not to criticize DGF and monte.

 

[Wolfspider]

Very good point, BG.

Now, if I can just get back to my office computer, I'll post the long (and silly) message I wrote earlier and wasn't able to post because the board was acting up....

 

[King_Stannis]

Re: Re: Re: Re: For everyone who piles on Avalanche for their covers, please look

Dude, that was easy. Besides I like to look at "cheesecake."

Guess I am now relegated to some hell now for that, not prefering "Art" to such illustrations.

Gary

save a spot at your table for me, my friend! us perverts have to stick (and presumably game) together.

 

[Col_Pladoh]

Re: Re: Re: For everyone who piles on Avalanche for their covers, please look

[snippage]

Beer commercials still feature plain old sex too. Niver miss a genuine opportunity...

Some folks seem to be oblivious to the old addage about not judging a book by its cover, it seems.

And what has all of this got to do with whether or not someone likes "babage" on the cover of a product, happily points out an example?

In any event, there's no question that such illustrations are considered "exploiative" by the PC and are thus very much non-PC.

Ciao,
Gary

 

[EricNoah]

Re: Grrrrrr....

Anyway, enough. My temper's flaring. Considering my position, I should probably step aside from this thread now.

Don't let these weenies get you down, even when people throw around accusatory words like "hypocrite" over something as stupid as this. You just got trolled is all -- this whole thread is one.

 

[King_Stannis]

Re: Re: Re: For everyone who piles on Avalanche for their covers, please look

What are the top 10 selling RPG products and what are their covers like? Betcha the slinky covers aren't big on that list.

Also, I'd note that "sex sells" was a predominate attitude in beer marketing in the 70's and 80's. It still is today, but there is less sex or it is muted by comedy. Oddly enough with the dissapearance of the Sweedish Bikini Team and the like beer sales increase among women.

Sex may sell. But I'd rather double my customer base. And I don't think that has a thing to do with being "politically correct".

You are drawing a conclusion from one product, BG. What about herbal essence shampoo? Good god, they show a women who is practically gang-banged by a bunch of frat boy studs. It must be working, cause they’re on their 4th or 5th generation of those ads. When did Jerry Springer get popular? Not when it featured a “morning yak” style, but only when it introduced white trash, freak shows, lesbians and sex-sex-sex. What is E’s most popular show? Smart money is on “Wild On..” – pure sex. Take a look at the costumes this weekend at the halftime of the super bowl and tell me that sex doesn’t sell or matter. I’ve seen a car commercial where a guy kicks out a bunch of civil war re-enactors etc. for a team (was it a ski team?) of hot babes. Baywatch. VIP. TV and products. And movies. Why else would any teenage boy in his right mind go see “Crossroads”? To get a look at Brittney in a bikini, underwear, etc.

Sex sells. It always has, and as long as there are men with testosterone, it always will.

 

[Wolfspider]

What about herbal essence shampoo? Good god, they show a women who is practically gang-banged by a bunch of frat boy studs.

I've always thought the selling point of those ads was humor, not sex. They're very tongue-in-cheek.

 

[King_Stannis]

Re: Re: Grrrrrr....

Don't let these weenies get you down, even when people throw around accusatory words like "hypocrite" over something as stupid as this. You just got trolled is all -- this whole thread is one.

sorry eric. pointing out inconsistency is not a troll. see Furn Darkside's last post for someone who is looking at this objectively.

 

[Desdichado]

Assuming for a moment that context is a reasonable rationalization (I'll reserve judgement on whether or not it really is) what is the context for DFB that could possibly justify fighting in a thong?

 

[King_Stannis]

Assuming for a moment that context is a reasonable rationalization (I'll reserve judgement on whether or not it really is) what is the context for DFB that could possibly justify fighting in a thong?

careful, joshua. questions like that will get you labeled a troll by some.