For everyone who piles on Avalanche for their covers, please look

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It's interesting that this has come up, simply because you will find that the finished cover of Demon God's Fane has been altered to reduce the cheesecake. (You can see it on the front page of my site montecook.com.)

I don't blast others for cheesecake, but I personally don't like it on my products. I like illustrations to be "fantasy realistic" and for the most part, as others have pointed out, fighting in a thong or with lots of cleavage showing, isn't always realistic (I suppose sometimes it could be).

The process we have with S&S is ongoing. They and their artists are getting to know what we at Malhavoc like, but it takes some time. You'll notice that there's no cheesecake on any Malhavoc electronic release (I think the woman on the electronic cover of Book of Eldritch Might II is cool and attractive without a hint of cheesecake--you can check that out at montecook.com as well.) You'll also notice that the S&S cover for If Thoughts Could Kill, by the very talented Kieran Yanner, also shows a tastefully depicted woman--and personally I think that cover rocks.

For whatever it's worth. Ultimately, it's sort of a "to each his or her own" sort of issue. I certainly have no intention of disparaging talented artists or another company's choice of marketing technique. I just think it's interesting that an illustration that we've worked hard to change is being used as an example of exactly what we were trying to avoid. Oh well.
 

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I couldn't stick through all the talk... but thought I'd chime in anyway. :D

I will be honest. I am a pig. I *like* cheesecake. Okay I admitted it. *blush*

However I do think that Avalanche's claim of historical accuracy and the covers don't jive. The cover ruins the credibility of the book. I know, don't just a book by it's cover, but I still think the cover should reporesent somewhat the content within.

*my two strips of copper
 



Pile on?

Well, i don't know about anyone else, but i acknowledge Monte's changing of the cover as conscientious(sp?). Well done, Monte.
Personally if it really came down that the cover was the only reason to "buy or not to buy" a book, i would probably skip the book. If the book had great stuff in it, i wouldn't hesitate one second to buy it, cheesy cover or not!
When i saw the original cover, it smacked of cheese to me and obviously it did to Monte as well. So i guess King Stannis actually scored some points, seeing as how Monte apparently(not that i am a mind reader) agreed that that cover was cheese. Why else change it?

I find it funny that more people DON'T find it funny!! Sure i would stop, if only for a second, to smile at "cheese cake" covers, me being human and all that, you know!! :p
But even in my high school days they never would have gotten my money. Unless, of course, the material was great stuff.

I don't go for calling people hypocrites just because they don't see things as black and white (even if i usually do) as i do. But maybe Stannis felt he was under a bit of fire and responded too harshly. Then again, maybe he was just giving an opinion! :)

BTW, How dare you even comment, Eric Noah!!! Look at that Sig!! Disgraceful, showing your horns all out in the open like that!! Shameful and degrading to all us demons!!
 


Yoo hoo! King Stannis? King Stannis? Are you around, King Stannis.

Hmmm...that's really curious...and he seemed so passionate about the issue....
 


I like cheesecake. The Sword & Sorcery genre has always been driven by cheesecake images of muscle-bound warriors and buxom damsels in distress. They are a key selling point for fantasy fiction, films, toys and rpgs. More cheesecake = more sales in the minds of most people marketing genre material. They can't be wrong, because Boris Vallejo is still making money cranking out his endless cheesy cover paintings, LOL.
 

Well, cheesecake sells, we all agree there.

But I find really funny all the "Monte Cook bashing" and all the hearted argument without any real base.

Still ROFLOL... :D
 

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