Forked Thread: Twilight of the Warlocks

[Obryn]

Alright, you folks persuaded me.

When I have time, I'll put together two identical basic PHB-style parties, with a Fighter, Cleric, Rogue, and Wizard. Then I'll try out combats with Warlocks and with Sorcerers, say at 1st, 8th, 18th, and 28th levels.

Which kind of Warlock or Sorcerer should I try? I'm tempted to go Wild Sorcerer (or Storm, which I kinda love) vs. Vestige- or Infernal-pact Warlock.

Further, I'll try them vs. a group of foes, and against a solo foe.

This will all be when I have time, of course.

-O

 

[Storminator]

I just don't see the mobility being there for the warlock. The fey pact gives free movement, but if you don't have that pact, the warlock's mobility comes from what? A utility power here and there?

What if we keep saying it over and over? Will that make it more convincing?

PS

 

[Minigiant]

To me there is 3 aspects of being a striker.

The first is Damage. The ability to deal damage. We've been through this. Warlorck are on the low side of damage.

Second is Accuracy. The ability to reach and hit whoever you want. Warlocks, Sorcerer, and ranged rangers and rogues have range so this isn't a problem.

Last is Escape. Hitting people over and over might cause them to attack you. Sometime they'll get their friend to help. Getting pounded isn't good and strikers do things that make them targets. Negating this a good idea and warlocks do this best. Via their pact boon or at-will, a warlock can lower how threatening they are without lowering their damage a lot. Combine that with class feature than encourage constat moving, warlocks are extremely safe and put little burden on defenders to save them or leaders to heal them.

Warlocks seem to be best in parties that have weird mixtures or poor safety. Warlocks' overall safety, usually high surge amount, and weird power ensure that no one will have to save them often. This often allow them to go all out on offense with feats/power choices or grab a secondary role. They work well with more suicidal strikers, offensive defenders, and buff focused healers.