Games you were turned off of and why

[bodhi]

Hol

So far Human Occupied Landfill is looking like one of the better role playing games out there as nobody has mentioned it here. One of the few rpgs truly appreciated while drunk on hard alcohol and listening to Ministry full bore.

The OP talked about games you originally loved, but now can't stand.

I own a copy of HOL and a copy of the premier supplement, Buttery Wholesomeness (with the insert booklet Freebase: Live Action Role Playing in the World of Reality), and I think they are creative, twisted, offensive and, yes, probably indicative of substance abuse.

They're keepers in my collection, but I think anyone trying to seriously run a game of HOL should be bludgeoned with the empty Jack Daniels bottle that is surely at hand.

 

[Particle_Man]

Not an RPG, but I truly hate "Risk". If I'm playing a game and notice that it structurally models down to being the same as "Risk", I get out as soon as I can.

For me that would be "Monopoly". I can think of no other board game that succeeds in bringing out the worst in people. In my experience, the game is efficient in turning people into s in record time.

 

[StupidSmurf]

OK...so...you know how people say "Don't put your hand on a hot stove, because you'll be burned!" and yet you do anyway, because dammit you have to find out for yourself?

I checked out FATAL.

Dear gawd, someone must pay. Someone MUST pay. The horror...the horror....

STAR FRONTIERS: This is the SF RPG equivalent of "Plan 9 from Outer Space".

TOP SECRET SI: Hey, let's take a beloved game and turn it into a pile of crap!

I know there's more, but....my brain's been crippled from checking out FATAL. Someone must pay.

 

[Dragon-Slayer]

Because ENWorld isn't just a 3e Dungeons and Dragons board anymore?

Because this is the General RPG Discussion forum for ENWorld?

Because many who enjoy fantasy games of one sort or another, but who may not play D&D, may find common ground in terms of adventures or fantasy tropes that have nothing to do with d20 mechanics?

Which is too bad, leave the chaos of rpg.net for all games, progress is not always progressive. However, one can only hear the "my hat of 02" line so many times before going into a frenzy. If 3.x is so bad, go to Dragonsfoot and be happy. Get it over with and get over it, D&D has moved on, if you choose to stay with a previous edition, that is fine, but crabbing about the new version is just annoying and not very constructive. I am not railing for any system, but sheesh, the anti-3.x mantra chanted by the same people gets old very fast. Regardless of what section one is in, it should be obvious to a garden gnome that Dungeons and Dragons, in a 3.x format, is the dominant game people talk about here. If 3.x is that terrible, why even view the posts here? There are a couple of systems I don't like, and instead of camping out on their messageboards and being a speedbump I don't even bother with it.

 

[Dragon-Slayer]

The OP talked about games you originally loved, but now can't stand.

I own a copy of HOL and a copy of the premier supplement, Buttery Wholesomeness (with the insert booklet Freebase: Live Action Role Playing in the World of Reality), and I think they are creative, twisted, offensive and, yes, probably indicative of substance abuse.

They're keepers in my collection, but I think anyone trying to seriously run a game of HOL should be bludgeoned with the empty Jack Daniels bottle that is surely at hand.

Yes, the original poster said that, and if you play HOL more than once, that would make my statement relevant. Or if you liked the idea and then hated it after, but it is an rpg and one not mentioned, therefore it counts.

While I wouldn't seriously run the game, I must say I have never spilled a drop of rum while playing, so no alcohol was abused.

 

[The Shaman]

However, one can only hear the "my hat of 02" line so many times before going into a frenzy.

Really?

That's...sad, that you are driven to a state of violent mental agitation when a few people disagree with you, particularly when more people share your taste in game systems than don't. It seems profoundly intolerant.

If 3.x is so bad, go to Dragonsfoot and be happy.

The operators of ENWorld don't share your point of view on this, running a message board and game store that cater to a variety of different gaming interests.

If I may paraphrase you, get it over with and get over it, ENWorld has moved on...

Get it over with and get over it, D&D has moved on, if you choose to stay with a previous edition, that is fine, but crabbing about the new version is just annoying and not very constructive.

D&D moved on, and so have I - from 1e to 3e and on to Castles and Crusades and Conan RPG, should the jones to play a fantasy RPG overtake me at some point in the future.

The topic of the thread is, "Games you were turned off of and why": I was turned off by 3e Dungeons and Dragons for the reasons I outlined - a few other posters also listed 3e D&D as well. My reply, which mentioned games other than 3e D&D you may recall, is entirely on-topic (unlike your reply, or this one for that matter :\ ).

I am not railing for any system, but sheesh, the anti-3.x mantra chanted by the same people gets old very fast. Regardless of what section one is in, it should be obvious to a garden gnome that Dungeons and Dragons, in a 3.x format, is the dominant game people talk about here. If 3.x is that terrible, why even view the posts here?

I think I answered that already, but I can go into a bit more depth if you like.

The general RPG board appeals to me because it covers a cross-section of games and gamers. From here I can pull ideas from across systems and genres to work into the games or the characters I run. That's one of the great things about a general RPG forum where gamers familiar with different systems can interact.

Because of similarities with the games I do play, such as d20 Modern (a Wizards of the Coast d20 product), I can often ask general d20 questions on this board and get a response from other d20 gamers, including those playing 3.0 or 3.5 Dungeons and Dragons, that are applicable to the games I play

From your post someone not familiar with ENWorld might expect to see posters spamming up threads with off-topic posts along the lines of "d4d teh suxxors!!11!!!11!" I haven't noted that to be the case. I also know that the moderators usually step in if a problem arises - again, I haven't seen it.

There are a couple of systems I don't like, and instead of camping out on their messageboards and being a speedbump I don't even bother with it.

No, you evidently prefer to camp out on this board, hijack other posters' threads, and harangue those who disagree with your personal taste in games.

 

[Darrin Drader]

STAR FRONTIERS: This is the SF RPG equivalent of "Plan 9 from Outer Space".

To each their own, I suppose, but I rather enjoyed it. In fact, I had the pleasure of doing the official D20 version of the sathar.

My three are as follows:

F.A.T.A.L. - I mean what do you expect from a free online RPG. I swear that it was written to drain sanity points from the player. Truly insidious.

Synnibar - I cracked the player's guide open and laughed myself into hysterics inside of the first page. Incidientally, I met one of the people behind that game. He's an old codger who owns a game store in the greater Seattle area who has an inherent dislike of WotC and D20, yet he carries a load of it because he wouldn't be able to stay in business if he didn't. He also has a store room full of unsellable Synnibar.

Finally, Mythus - I have a definite appreciation for what Gary has brought to the hobby, but Mythus is so unnecessarily rules heavy that both GURPS and D20 looks light by comparison. Besides, I bought the bestiary for that game thinking I was going to finally get monsters, but I ended up with a massive book full of garden variety animals instead.

 

[Steel_Wind]

GURPS: Linear is heroic; bell curve is bland.

Really - it does not get much more fundamental than that.

 

[Goodsport]

Finally, Mythus - I have a definite appreciation for what Gary has brought to the hobby, but Mythus is so unnecessarily rules heavy that both GURPS and D20 looks light by comparison. Besides, I bought the bestiary for that game thinking I was going to finally get monsters, but I ended up with a massive book full of garden variety animals instead.

I'm not generally a fan of unnecessarily rules heavy games myself, but I actually liked Mythus. Though character creation practically took forever (particularly for magic-users), once that was out of the way, the system was actually quite easy to play.

Plus, the fact that the world of Aerth was a sort-of pseudo-Earth actually made it easier for newcomers to jump into a campaign, as all I really had to explain to them regarding the various nation-states were that they were "like ancient Greece, medieval Russia, renaissance Italy...", etc., instead of having to explain brand-new countries and cultures to them.


-G

 

[Darrin Drader]

Plus, the fact that the world of Aerth was a sort-of pseudo-Earth actually made it easier for newcomers to jump into a campaign, as all I really had to explain to them regarding the various nation-states were that they were "like ancient Greece, medieval Russia, renaissance Italy...", etc., instead of having to explain brand-new countries and cultures to them.

Epic of Aerth and Metropolic were both good additions. In fact, Metropolis has been converted to D20 and released by Necromancer Games, and Epic iof Aerth is rules generic, so it can be used as a setting for D&D. I've been thinking of doing just that for a long time, but haven't gotten around to it.