ishalleatyourflesh
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So you would willingly kill a defenseless opponet that was in the process of fleeing the battle field?
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Salthorae
Imperial Mountain Dew Taster
I would have to agree... with ishalleatyourflesh on the killing a helpless opponent when they are fleeing.
I also don't think that you could catch them, as it will require you a standard action to cast the spell, and you will need take most of your 1st round of movement just getting into the air, while they will have a full round (600' at a run) of movment, by which time you won't be able to see them.
I think we should subdue/kill the remaining opponents if possible and then have to face Rho and the dragon at a later date... the ever problem of the 'good' guys, you're merciful to your opponents and they just come back later to attack when it's least good for you, but if we don't do that, then we risk our goodness.
I think that either Sigil or Arineil should ready an action to blast the feral in case he tries to cast a teleportation spell. DC on a concentration check is 10+Damage Dealt or lose the spell Feral was going to cast... just an idea.
I also don't think that you could catch them, as it will require you a standard action to cast the spell, and you will need take most of your 1st round of movement just getting into the air, while they will have a full round (600' at a run) of movment, by which time you won't be able to see them.
I think we should subdue/kill the remaining opponents if possible and then have to face Rho and the dragon at a later date... the ever problem of the 'good' guys, you're merciful to your opponents and they just come back later to attack when it's least good for you, but if we don't do that, then we risk our goodness.
I think that either Sigil or Arineil should ready an action to blast the feral in case he tries to cast a teleportation spell. DC on a concentration check is 10+Damage Dealt or lose the spell Feral was going to cast... just an idea.
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Myth and Legend
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Silivrenniel is good, but not a nun! She has 36 INT, and has just learned that Rho has the War bloodline. He is also obviously Evil and vengeful.
Logic dictates that he is removed, least we be killed of by a later ambush. At this level one attack is enough to drop you (see Rho's full attack back there, dealing 220 damage to Arineil) and Jemal house-ruled out Wish and Resurrection as means of returning to life. And, we don't have a Druid to bring us back now do we?
I resent the notion that Good aligned characters are gutless Mary Sue types, and that Evil aligned characters are maniacal villains that laugh "BWAHAHAHAHA" and do evil deeds for the sake of evil. These are useless preconseptions of low-grade fantasy books and movies, and such characters are two dimentional.
Silivrenniel would not sacrifice a baby if the ritual would give her +2 con for example. An evil character would. An evil character would not give his last 10,000 gp to help rebuild a village that had been destroyed, as he does not care where the people would live and values his money more than helping them out.
But chasing after Rho, as he nearly killed Arineil and is obviously not going to give up on us, is *prudency* more than evil.
On the side note, i dared read some posts in the wizards.com forums.. Wow! Theese guys really have a freaking LOT of spare time don't they? And they have managed to break the 3.5 system in so many ways it's scary. They would definitely laugh at my character choices so far
Logic dictates that he is removed, least we be killed of by a later ambush. At this level one attack is enough to drop you (see Rho's full attack back there, dealing 220 damage to Arineil) and Jemal house-ruled out Wish and Resurrection as means of returning to life. And, we don't have a Druid to bring us back now do we?
I resent the notion that Good aligned characters are gutless Mary Sue types, and that Evil aligned characters are maniacal villains that laugh "BWAHAHAHAHA" and do evil deeds for the sake of evil. These are useless preconseptions of low-grade fantasy books and movies, and such characters are two dimentional.
Silivrenniel would not sacrifice a baby if the ritual would give her +2 con for example. An evil character would. An evil character would not give his last 10,000 gp to help rebuild a village that had been destroyed, as he does not care where the people would live and values his money more than helping them out.
But chasing after Rho, as he nearly killed Arineil and is obviously not going to give up on us, is *prudency* more than evil.
On the side note, i dared read some posts in the wizards.com forums.. Wow! Theese guys really have a freaking LOT of spare time don't they? And they have managed to break the 3.5 system in so many ways it's scary. They would definitely laugh at my character choices so far
Jemal
Adventurer
Being a hero isn't about logically doing the prudent thing, It's about doing the RIGHT thing... and anybody who thinks killing a helpless opponent b/c they might come back at you in the future is 'right' isn't a hero in any book. There is a difference between being a "good guy" and being a "Hero".
Also, if a DM has a major NPC run away, you have to realize there's a reason for it. There are two types of badguys - "Fight to the death", and "Repeat Badguy".
If your opponent flees, then either you're being led into an ambush, or the DM wants that NPC to get away. Either way, chasing them alone is very bad idea.
All of the above is not being said as a DM, but as a fellow gamer. The following is what I'm saying as your DM:
If you wanna chase them, feel free, but one on one that dragon can and will kill you to protect Rho.
EDIT: Also, I never said Rho was unconscious. He dropped to one knee bleeding badly and then was grabbed by the dragon.
Also, if a DM has a major NPC run away, you have to realize there's a reason for it. There are two types of badguys - "Fight to the death", and "Repeat Badguy".
If your opponent flees, then either you're being led into an ambush, or the DM wants that NPC to get away. Either way, chasing them alone is very bad idea.
All of the above is not being said as a DM, but as a fellow gamer. The following is what I'm saying as your DM:
If you wanna chase them, feel free, but one on one that dragon can and will kill you to protect Rho.
EDIT: Also, I never said Rho was unconscious. He dropped to one knee bleeding badly and then was grabbed by the dragon.
Myth and Legend
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Well then, you made it clear that you want Rho to live for now. A recurring "CURSES! I will get you next time Smurfs!" Gargamel type baddie 
Hmm, well i am aware that a Very Old dragon can beat a mage Shapechanged in to an Adult dragon. But for that he would have to stop and land - breath is useless and he can only bite in mid air i think. If we take the fight to the ground the other PCs will come to help (i hope).
Anyway i'm giving up on the idea, although i really don't like these fantasy stereotypes. Like the strong bad guy letting the good guys fight all his subordinates and level up, before facing htem. Or the good guy leaving the evil guy for dead, instaed of making damn sure he is dead.
In any event, you're saying that Rho is conscious. He is effectively grappled by the dragon is he allowed a reflex save at all?
BTW if i really want to kill Rho i thought of a much safer solution.
Quickened True Strike + Disintegrate (Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) Rho is not out of the woods yet! It's a Fort save so he might not make it. Even if he does, the damage alone couldbe enough to kill him.
If it hasn't been made apparent already i really dislike Rho and want him dead Alhtough i'm sure Jemal will return him despite the limitations on ressurrective magic.
Hmm, well i am aware that a Very Old dragon can beat a mage Shapechanged in to an Adult dragon. But for that he would have to stop and land - breath is useless and he can only bite in mid air i think. If we take the fight to the ground the other PCs will come to help (i hope).Anyway i'm giving up on the idea, although i really don't like these fantasy stereotypes. Like the strong bad guy letting the good guys fight all his subordinates and level up, before facing htem. Or the good guy leaving the evil guy for dead, instaed of making damn sure he is dead.
In any event, you're saying that Rho is conscious. He is effectively grappled by the dragon is he allowed a reflex save at all?
BTW if i really want to kill Rho i thought of a much safer solution.
Quickened True Strike + Disintegrate (Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) Rho is not out of the woods yet! It's a Fort save so he might not make it. Even if he does, the damage alone couldbe enough to kill him.
If it hasn't been made apparent already i really dislike Rho and want him dead
Alhtough i'm sure Jemal will return him despite the limitations on ressurrective magic.
Jemal
Adventurer
A: Dragons travel a lot faster than PC's. In the round or two it would take you to catch up to him you would be at least a thousand feet from the rest of your party.
B: Dragons can bite, claw, claw, tail slap, and spellcast while flying... depending on their flight manueverability.
There are good reasons for both of those. The first (Evil guy letting the good guys fight his subordinates first).. it's called softening them up, or in some cases the badguy is hoping he won't have to deal with you if his subordinates can. (In either case this has nothing to do with the current situation, so I'm not sure why you brought it up?)
The second was covered earlier in my hero rant. Heros don't go around killing people b/c they 'could still be a threat'.
when did he get grappled? picking someone up doesn't mean you're grappling them. (And even if it did, there's nothing about grappling that negates saves)
If you really want to do something, then try it, don't brag about how you 'could' do it.
Yes you've made it very apparent. Just As you've made it very apparent that you are taking this whole scenario as a personal affront, and I'd like to know why. I don't like being insulted without being told why, and insinuating that I'm a liar or cheater, combined with the generaly sniping tone of your post, leaves me feeling insulted.
What did I say that lead you to believe that that I'm going to lie or cheat?
Myth and Legend
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Oh Jemal i never meant to stab at you, sorry about that. I am not implying that you are cheating in fact i don't rightfully KNOW what a DM can and can't do (still new at this, haven't even read the DMG).
I am not bragging, there is hardly anything to brag about in a DnD game, we're just role playing aren't we? In any event the Disintegrate thing was a brainstorming idea, i just shared it to see what you and the other players would say about it.
About black and white morality i said enough, we should agree to disagree then. You are running the game and if good means let them escape, than i will not object.
I am not taking this as a personal affront, but Rho's attitude of superiority and his choice of words "mommy and daddy are talking" just made me resent him, or rather would make Silivrenniel resent him. Read my signature - when i am talking almost all of the time i am taking in to account my character for the relevant game.
On the dragon, grappling and all that - i was asking more than anything else, as i don't have the necessary knowledge on the mechanics.
I have nothing against you as a DM and i don't know anything about you IRL so believe me i am not trying to insult you.
I am not bragging, there is hardly anything to brag about in a DnD game, we're just role playing aren't we? In any event the Disintegrate thing was a brainstorming idea, i just shared it to see what you and the other players would say about it.
About black and white morality i said enough, we should agree to disagree then. You are running the game and if good means let them escape, than i will not object.
I am not taking this as a personal affront, but Rho's attitude of superiority and his choice of words "mommy and daddy are talking" just made me resent him, or rather would make Silivrenniel resent him. Read my signature - when i am talking almost all of the time i am taking in to account my character for the relevant game.
On the dragon, grappling and all that - i was asking more than anything else, as i don't have the necessary knowledge on the mechanics.
I have nothing against you as a DM and i don't know anything about you IRL so believe me i am not trying to insult you.
Rathan
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If anyone tried to kill Rho in an unconscious state at the moment she'd rip them a new a**hole actually.... seeing as how Rho gave her a honest and rather clean fight for an a**hole.... she kinda respects him alot more than some of her companions atm the moment... sadly because she know him better than some of the rest of her 'crew' currently.... he's been the only one in ages to give her a good fair.. and challenging fight.... respect is earned with Arineil and evil or not.. Rho's got hers at the moment heh....
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