GC 2006 - Ptolus Hardback $120!?!

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Wow! We weren't expecting all this discussion before we even put the website (www.ptolus.com) together. However, it's up now. There, you'll find lots more details about the book and about preordering (and some of the benefits of doing so). You can also see an art preview, a sneak peek at the page layout and organization the book, and a FAQ. Lastly, there's a list of our publishing partners with this product, including a few details of the upcoming Ptolus comic book series.

There's lots more info coming in the coming year, but this is a start.

To address some of the things brought up in this thread (in no particular order):

1. There will probably be about 8 pdfs, not 3, in order to keep each individual pdf's price low. That way, if you're not sure about the whole thing, you can just try a small piece to see if this is for you. We have no plans of making it a single pdf, but if you buy all the pdfs, you'll have the entirety of the package's contents.
2. This isn't a special deluxe version of Ptolus. It's the actual thing. Aside from the pdfs, there won't be another version of Ptolus. (To be very frank, I don't know what we'd cut to make a "lesser" version. It's all pretty integrated.)
3. I don't think Malhavoc is known for inflated prices. In fact, I think it was here where someone mentioned that Arcana Evolved is, page for page, one of the best values in gaming. When you add in all the content from the CD Rom that will be included with the book, the package offers well over 1,000 pages of content. I proudly stand behind the value of this package, and I think the preorder package is an amazing deal.
4. The "bells and whistles" aren't meant to be meaningless fluff. Things like the bound-in bookmarks, the use of color, the handouts, and so forth are all designed for functionality. That said, I'm not going to apologize for putting together a deluxe book with a fantastic cover, amazing artwork, high quality paper, handouts, a full color poster map, and so on. Personally, I think the game industry deserves some really kick-ass high end products as well as the smaller, less-expensive ones, like our 32-page Player's Guide to Ptolus that we're releasing in May for $1.99 (yep, that's 2 bucks for the print version, and the pdf will be free).
5. We're working hard to make sure that the binding of this book will be super-sturdy. There are interesting processes available in publishing that I don't think anyone in the game industry has tried before that will make the book sturdier, and we're looking into all of them.
6. Why yes, I am crazy. ;)
7. Since Ptolus is a city, it is uniquely designed so that it can be added to an existing campaign world that uses the basic d20 assumptions (monsters, elves, dwarves, wizards, etc.).

Is this book for everyone? No. And I knew that going in. If you're interested even slightly, however, check out the website with the previews of how the book will look and what we're doing that's different. Stop in at montecook.com from time to time over the next year and check out the extensive previews, design diaries, and more that we'll be putting up each week for the next 50 weeks.

Thanks!
 

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Monte At Home said:

You're welcome. :D

Folks, if somebody like me can afford an initial payment of $19.95 plus monthly payments of $10.00 most of you should have no trouble.

And checkout the art and page layouts. This is how a book is done, with care.
 

Paying in Installments

I was poking around the Ptolus site, and I noticed a link for paying in installments.

Ptolus (Pay in Installments Option)

Beyond all that was said about prices before, I have to admit that this is a generous offer. It makes the book affordable, and look at the goodies that comes with it. Already, Ptolus is about the size of four sourcebooks. Getting a CD-Rom and 5 copies of the Player's Guide on top of the book...yowza.

I don't like the idea of paying $120 flat-out, but done this way makes it a lot better. Plus you can't deny the goods that come with it.

Now I've gone from a "no" to a definite possible maybe. ;)
 


I think the biggest stumbling block for me isn't the price, but the fact that Ptolus just seems like any other generic D&D city. As a matter of fact, all I've read suggests it's much like FR's Waterdeep (port city with dungeon underneath). While I can appreciate all the great production value that's gone into it, there's just no hook for me to want to drop $120 on it when I have plenty of standard city material dating back to the early days of D&D.

If Ptolus was something as original as Sigil or had something else that really set it apart you might get me to part with my money on it but as it stands I see little reason to.
 

The package is definitely impressive, and ya gotta love the pre-order deals. I will have to look up more on the setting itself, but so far, this does impress me, and if I am intrigued by the setting, then $120 is a fair price for the book, extra adventure, and 5 copies of the Player's Guide (latter two free with pre-order.)

I admire the fact that you can pay in monthly installments as well. Really nice touch, and one that will make many take a second look at this...
 

A very impressive product, and excellent preorder deals.
I'm not really interested in finding a campaign setting right now, and even if I did I'm not sure Ptolus would be it, but the sheer extravaganve of it is tempting.
If I had a little more money, I'd probably cave in. As it is, I'm afraid Ptolus is just out of my league.
 

Boy, I'm pretty surprised that whining is even an option for some people. But I really shouldn't be.

Anyways, $120 is cheap for the amount of material that's going into this book. No-one's putting a gun to anyone else's head and forcing them to buy it.
 

Monte must be in financial trouble to soak the gaming community for this kind of bread. Either that or he's been writing non-stop for the last twelve months and his editor's in China.
 

120 isn't that much money. I've noticed that in the ordinary business of life there are random, unexpected costs you just have to pay, of that caliber and even larger. (Like, for example, noticing that my old suit doesn't fit me, and I need to buy a new one for graduation - 170 euros *PLONK*) Unexpected costs of that size, and larger, haven't wrecked my budget thus far .. so an expected cost of that size doesn't worry me too much.
 

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